Hmm.. nice club. I was browsing though the links
and noticed the site that showcased most of the
titles available for this system. Very odd, interesting
mix of games. Somewhat of a novelity system. Every
system has it's essential imports. What are the
essestial imports to buy for the PCE?

Hi Vince,<br>You have done a great job with the
introduction, I know that now, I personally know alot more
about one of my favourite systems. I hope that me and
all the other PCE/Turbo fans out there can contribute
and help make this club the success I think it's
destined for. It's a pleasure to be a part of it(as with
the neo geo club)and to discuss this great console
range that has so many formats! If there is any other
system that puts as much effort into quality and detail
it is the pc engine. I look forward to seeing this
club grow.<br><br>Let's get it on!<br>TAFKAneological.

Hi Frank:<br><br>Welcome to my club, hope you
enjoy the work I've done, if you're looking for Duo,
Raven Video Games in St Paul, MN has 6 brand new units
in stock, here's the
URL<br><br><a href=http://www.ravenvideogames.net
target=new>http://www.ravenvideogames.net</a><br><br>They also have new
TurboExpress and PC-E CD so check
them out. Yes, PC-E and Turbo have tons of awesome
shooters, can't understand why compan don't make those
games anymore.<br><br>Vince

Good games man, let's not forget
about<br><br>Lord's of Thunder (CD)<br>Gate of Thunder (CD)<br>Air
Zonk (chip)<br>Splatterhouse (chip)<br>Bonk's
Adventure & Revenge (chip)<br><br>I'm sure I'm forgetting
some...

Glad to see your club Vince. I dropped by the
DolphinLord's after seaching for a Duo. I had to read through
25 posts, och, my eyes still hurt. I must say you've
provided ALOT of information on the PC Engine/Turbo and
it's games already. You planning on writing a book on
the subject any time soon? I only wish the best for
this club. I was thinking earlier while playing Super
Star Soldier on an emulator, if the Neo-Geo is for
"The King of Fighters" then the PC/Turbo is "The King
of Shooters".

I would like to thank Dolphinlord (Dave) for his
assistance in providing the club logo, and honored as the
first member to join my club and kept this club
undisclosed until I had everything set up and ready to go so
everyone can enjoy the links and information posted
here.<br><br>Vince

Here's what I would like the club be and will do
for the club:<br><br>1. Center of TurboGrafx and
PC-Engine discussion in Yahoo.<br>2. A source of game
slaes, search, and information exchange.<br>3. A open
area where people are free to discuss anything, unless
deemed offensive to other members.<br>4. Invite everyone
who owns a PC-E/TG related page so they can provide
valueble information.<br>5. Be an influential source in
TurboGrafx/PC-Engine gaming.<br>6. A club for people who have either
hundreds of gmaes in their collection, or just a few, to
poeple who're simply curious about
PC-Engine..<br><br>Vince

There's a surge of popularity of PC-Engine and
Neo-Geo games in Japan. As matter of fact, prices of
games on those 2 systems have gone up through the roof
for many titles, a lot of Japanese gamers even look
for games from US source as many PC-Engine and
Neo-Geo games are getting scarce in Japan while these
titles are not popular in US. <br><br>Just like what
I've mentioned before, many found out these games were
dveloped and released in the best gaming era (late 80 to
mid 90s) where game play and fun factor are on top,
not monetary interest. I can't emphasize this enough
here as the reason for me to start this
club.<br><br>Vince

If anyone has played any PC-Engine/CD/SCD/ACD and
PC-FX games, feel free to bring up the discussion, this
is the area of gaming I would really encourage since
there're 685 games made for PC-E and 62 games made for
PC-FX, less than 10% of them made it to the US so we're
missing out a lot of things.<br><br>Remember, a member's
contribution of game info and discussion will be an important
factor of my choosing the cofounder later.<br><br>Vince

Even though NEC didn't do well in the US with
their systems due to lackluster lineup of software, I
still like many of the games came out for it, here're
the games I recommend for each
system:<br><br>TurboGrafx (chip)<br><br>Chase HQ<br>Devil's Crush<br>Dragon
Spirit<br>Bomberman/93 <br>Galaga 90<br>Gunboat<br>Kieth Courage<br>King
of Casino<br>Klax<br>Military
Madness<br>Neutopia<br>New Adventure Island<br>Parasol
Star<br>R-Type<br>Super Star Soldier<br><br><br>Turbo CD<br><br>Cosmic
Fantasy 2<br>Fighting Street<br>Ys I & II<br><br>Turbo
Super CD<br><br>Beyond Shadowgate<br>Dragon
Slayer<br><br>If anyone has more games to recommend, bring them
up.<br><br>Vince

From posts #1 to #15, I've provided a lot of
information, if any of you found it's not correct, please
correct any of the posts I have so people get accurate
information. Make sure you provide proof of it, such as an URL
of the info.<br><br>Vince

After playing a few portable systems, I'm ready
to say that TurboExpress/PC-Engine GT is the best
portable system.<br><br>Let's consider the facts, it has
512 colors, runs on a light screen, and has the best
sound. The only other portable system that is close
behind is Sega Nomad but it can display much fewer
colors. Interestingly, Sega Nomad, just like
TurboExpress, is increasingly difficult too find. Perhaps
people start to realize that the 8-bit and 16-bit gaming
era is the best of all time.<br><br>Besides those 2
portables, I would rate the other portable systems as
followed:<br><br>Lynx<br>Game Gear<br>Game Boy Color<br>Neo-Geo Pocket
<br>WonderSwan<br>Game.com<br><br>With the factors of games available for the
system,
uniqueness of games on the system (Game Gear are mostly
Genesis ports), and power of system.<br><br>I would
encourage other members to discuss over this and yes, feel
free to discuss other system, it makes this BBS a lot
more fun.<br><br>Vince

This may sound like an off topic discussion, but
check this URL
first:<br><br><a href=http://homepage2.rconnect.com/forhan/jaguar.html
target=new>http://homepage2.rconnect.com/forhan/jaguar.html</a><br><br>Yes,
there're people making games for Jaguar long
after Atari is out of business. On the other hand,
there're hobby programmers for PC-Engine as well, look at
this
URL:<br><br><a href=http://www.interlog.com/~daves/pce_dev/game.html
target=new>http://www.interlog.com/~daves/pce_dev/game.html</a><br><br>Let's
show him support and hope we can get more games
for them, if it's doing well, we might see a trickle
of games in the future.<br><br>Vince

Hi Karl:<br><br>Looks like you found your way
into this club. I wasn't ready to let people in and
start posting since I still had a few more posts to
write and planned to announce this over this weekend at
Dolphinlord's club.<br><br>If you're looking for PC-E and Turbo
Titles, look through the link section, or simply check
with Jyosui. If you need PC-E convertor, inquire at
Turbo Zone Direct<br><br><a href=http://www.tzd.com
target=new>http://www.tzd.com</a><br><br>Yes,
Turbo Express is by far the coolest handheld system,
even better than Neo-Geo Pocket, even though we're
Neo-Geo freaks ourselves, I'm glad it hasn't clouded our
judgement on what systems and games to get. We simply want
the best games out there.<br><br>Vince

Its great to finally see an NEC club going.<br>I
have recently started to get into Turbo/Pc engine
gaming.<br>While I did get the Turbo grafx system long ago new,I
never really got into it due to the other systems.I
only had 3 games,Kieth Courage,Bonk,and Parosol
Stars.<br>I recently got a New Turbo Express,and I am VERY
impressed.Since then I have bought 8 more Hu Cards,Including
Parodius (still new).<br>Now I have to find a
Converter.<br><br>I am also getting back into some older import
titles for other systems.<br>Most Noteably,I want to get
Parodius,Twin Bee,and Cotton titles.<br><br>Thanks<br>KARL

Well, if the club takes off, yes I'll need a
second person to help me provide answers and discussions
for other members, but choosing a right cofounder,
from my experience in Dolphinlords Neo-Geo club, will
be an enormous task. The fact is, there're no 2
persons who will agree on every single issue, so I'll
simply keep the club going and see how things
go.<br><br>I'll only pick one cofounder since all it takes is 2
good and dedicated people to run a BBS, regardless of
the size, rememebr, if you'd like me to choose you as
cofounder, here're the 3 basics you'll
need.<br><br>Open-mindedness: You won't have to agree with someone, but you
must let other people express their
views.<br><br>Dedication: Even with a busy schedule (like myself), spend 5
to 10 minutes reading the posts and try to attend
the questions and help from
members.<br><br>Knowledge: I need a cofounder who knows a lot about
PC-Engine games, while I play many of the TurboGrafx games,
I want this club to be a PC-Engine club since most
games are on that format.<br><br>So, everyone has a
chance to be a cofounder here, just like the way I was
promoted in Dolphinlord's Neo-Geo club. I'll need time to
decide though.<br><br>Vince

Folks, I've done a lot of research with tons of
info, and I would like to get some help in return for
the photos section. I've created 6 albums and I need
the following type of photos in the respective
albums:<br><br>NEC hardwares: If you own any of the NEC systems, be
TurboGrafx or PC-Engine, show them in thsi album. For the
rare ones like PC-E LT, I would like to ask people to
transfer screen shots from fan sites.<br><br>Game cover
arts: Primarily TurboGrafx, if you have the boxes of
TG-16 games, scan them to this album.<br><br>Screen
shots: Scan pictures of any PC-E, TG-16, and PC-FX games
into this album.<br><br>Magazine ad and reviews: I
would love to see the promotional material on magazines
and posters. Even reviews on game magazines are
welcome.<br><br>Game manual cover (PC-E and TG-16) - For PC-E's CD
games, it'd be nice to scan the front and back of CD
jewel boxes, for TG and PC-E Hucard games, just scan
the front.<br><br>If you have a lot of other stuff
not listed above, feel free to creat an new album and
scan them all. If you're scanning from a web site,
make sure to ask permissions from site owners, and
thanks a lot in advance for everyone's
help.<br><br>Vince

I've spent a lot of times researching and finding
many fan/game info, emulation, auctions, and retail
vendor sites, please follow this:<br><br>#1 to #50:
Game-related fan sites<br>#51 to #68: Emlation sites<br>#69
and #70: On-line auctions<br>#71 to #100: Retail
vendors<br><br>Any one can become a PC-Engine expert if they browse
through all of the fan sites. Yes, you can also download
games from the emulation sites, but please remember to
follow the rule, to download, you either must have the
original games or you delete the ROMs in 24
hours.<br><br>Finally, the retail section is probably the most useful
links here. Please be aware that the stores'
inventories change constantly. To find the rare stuff, you
simply have to call around on a routine basis.

Well, here's the breakdown
geographically:<br><br>PC-Engine/TurboGrafx Hucard systems: (including
SuperGrafx)<br><br>Japan - 3,920,000<br>Outside Japan -
1,700,000<br><br>PC-Engine/TurboGrafx CD, SCD, DUO systems:<br><br>Japan -
1,920,000<br>Outside Japan - 100,000<br><br>PC-FX<br><br>Japan only -
290,000<br><br><br>The outside Japan figures include the rest of Asia,
where PC-Engine was quite popular. Therefore, the US
market is considerably small than those figures. You can
see why not too many games were made for US
version.<br><br><br>Vince

Now, let talk about the games made for PC-Engine
in Japan. It was started in a time when programmer
developped games for gamers, not financial interest. Just
like Neo-Geo, SNK and NEC and their third parties
producd only limited amount of copies on each title, part
of it was modest ambition, but it was also part of
old Japanese mentality where you made enough copies,
let someone play and resell them to other players,
passing on the same games.<br>Nowadays, companies like
Sony and Namco even tried to stop retailers selling
used copies. <br><br>Both PC-Engine and Neo-Geo have
among the best 2D games. While Neo-Geo brings out the
best arcade games, PC-Engine brought the rest of them.
It has most genres of games available. Some of them
are quite odd, such as simulation, mahjong, adult,
pachinko (w/ pachinko controller), puzzle, RPG (many
vriants), quiz, shooters (highest of any systems
proportionally of any system).<br><br>It was like playing part
of Japanese culture, and people around the world
will still be talking about the system i years to
come.<br><br>Vince

We can first look at number of games made for all
of PC-Engine systems. In Japan, games were made for
the following formats:<br><br>Hucard<br>SuperGrafx
Hucard<br>PC-E CD<br>PC-E SCD<br>PC-E ACD<br><br>The first batch
of games were made at launch on October 30, 1987,
along with the upgrades, the last game made for the
system was Dead of the Brian 1&2 on June 3, 1999, so
overall, the system lasted almost 12 years with games
totaling 658, only Game Boy and Neo-Geo come this close as
far as length of system support.<br><br>For US
TurboGrafx/CD, they lasted 5 years (1989 to 1994), the last game
was Dynastic Heroes, and they supported the following
format:<br><br>TurboGrafx Hucard - 98 titles<br>TGCD - 19
titles<br>TGSCD/DUO - 19 titles<br><br>Which adds up to about 136
games, another reason TurboGrafx didn't fare well was
the fact that NEC put too much emphasis on sports and
platform games, while ignoring some killer titles in
Japan.<br><br>As far as PC-FX, the first 3 games relesed at launch
were Battle Heat, Team Innocent, and Sotsugyo II FX in
Dec 23, 1994. The system lasted until April 24, 1998
with the last title being Frst Kiss - Mnogatari. There
were a total of 62 games for the system.<br><br>I
respected NEC Japan for supporting PC-FX that long with the
fact that most gamers flocked to PSX and Saturn,
unlike Nintendo (Sega) who dumped Virtual Boy (32X and
32XCD) within 2 years after launch. BTW, Virtual Boy is
my 3rd favorite system after Neo-Geo and
PC-Engine.<br><br>Vince

This is the follow-up of post #6. How could I
forget PC-Engine Duo Rx, which NEC released on June 24,
1994.<br><br>This hardware allows you to play all of PC-E CD games,
including Hucard, PCECD, SCD, and ACD.

Well, basicly, it's the US version of PC-Engine
released in 1989. As far as games are concerned, they
paled in comparison to the games Japanese players got,
but overall the average quality of games were still
better than NES and Genesis.<br><br>In 1990, NEC
intoduced TurboGrafx CD, same as PCE-CD in Japan. One of
the reasons TurboGrafx/CD failed miserably in the end
was the price point. Creating a good and large user
base for the TurboGrafx system was hard enough, at the
time, the system cost $200 in US ($300 in Canada), but
the CD add-on would cost a whopping $400, or $700
Canadian at the time with exchange rate of 1.2 CAD for one
US dollar, ouch!<br><br>NEC also introduced
TurboExpress in 1991, again, they were promoting a nice and
expensive product in a market which was very
price-conscious. With the price of a TGExpress (about $300), one
could get Super Nintendo AND Genesis.<br><br>In 1992,
just like Japan in 91, US gamers got Turbo Duo and NEC
dropped the price to $300, well, perhaps it was a bit too
late. On top of that, it alienated many gamers who
bought the original, expensive set-up, realizing they
had to buy Super CD-Rom card to play SCD games,
compare to people who would've just entered the market
and bought the Duo system for only around $300. Yeah,
they asked about $70 - $100 for the SCD card, which I
felt it wasn't fair to people who supported the system
in the beginning. <br><br>Here're the adaptors that
come in handy for TurboGrafx/Duo<br><br>SCD card- put
this on TurboGrafx and allows you to play SCD games on
TGCD<br><br>PC-Engine adaptor- the PC-Engine Hucard games don't work on
TurboGrafx so you need an adaptor to play Jp PCE
games.<br><br>Oh, yes, the CD and SCD games are compatible between
US and Jp systems. You can also plug Arcade card
with adaptor on Turbo Duo and play ACD games on you
Duo such as Fatal Fury Special, Strider, and more.

NEC actually created and released a 32-bit system
PC-FX, Dec 23, 1994, as a successor of PC-Engine. NEC
wasn't very ambitious about the system and planned to
sell only 50,000 units during the first year. Perhas
because of modest ambition, it could not draw major
developers and publishers to make games for the
system.<br><br>The only notable game developer was Hudson Soft and
the games were primarily animation based (ie Battle
Heat), which really limited appeal of the system.
Despite this, many enjoyed the system as a novelty, it's
one of the most unique systems around with computer
like setting.

With the advent of Super Famicom and Mega Drive,
PC-Engine was somehow affected, but it had not stopped NEC
from introducing more hardware.<br><br>Nov 16, 1990.
NEC introduced PC-Engine GT, this is, in my opinion,
the best portable system as far as graphics and
software selection is concerned (yes, even better than
Neo-Geo Pocket), the games actually plays faster and with
an addition of TV-Tuner, you can listen to radio and
watch TV on it.<br><br>To compete against the 16-bit
giants, NEC introduced PC-Engine Duo on Sept 21, 1991. a
combination of PC-Engine and Super CD which also plays
standard PCECD games. Most CD games went into Super CD
format after the introduction of Duo which do not work
on standard PCECD-Rom drive. The solution? Either
the Super CD card or get a Super CD-Rom drive. Super
CD-Rom drive was released on Dec 31, 1991, it was for
those who had original PC-Engine hardware who needed
CD-Rom upgrade. For those who already had original
PCECD, they had to buy Super CD-Rom card adaptor.
<br><br>On the same day, Dec 31, 1991, NEC also released
PC-Engine LT. It was one of the most expensive systems ever
released, yes, even more so than Neo-Geo at almost 100,000
Yen. (Even more now at ebay, last one fetched about
$1700). It's a portable system with the size of standard
PC-Engine. The screen is a bit larger than PC-E GT. In fact,
you can put this system with original CD-Rom box set
instead of standard PC-Engine and make it a portable CD
system, which feels just like a laptop.<br><br>NEC also
released Duo R on March 25, 1993. I don't know much about
the system except it has the white casing instead of
grey and perhaps with arcade card upgrade
built-in.<br><br>To see the pictures of all the system I've just
mentioned, click on this
URL:<br><br><a href=http://k508l.balpol.tudelft.nl/~baloo/nec/pc-engine.html
target=new>http://k508l.balpol.tudelft.nl/~baloo/nec/pc-engine.html</a><br><br>W\
ith so many upgrades on the systems, here're the
brief list of cards for CD-Rom upgrade:<br><br>Super CD
card- Plug in PC-E to play SCD games on standard
CD-Rom<br>Arcade Card- Plug in to play ACD games on
SCD-Rom<br>Arcade Card Pro- Plug in to play ACD games on standard
CD-Rom<br><br>If the latter 2 is mixed up, please correct me
(anyone)

PC-Engine is a video game system created by NEC
and released in Japan in Oct 30, 1987. The system
came in the era of NES domination.<br><br>Although the
system is only 8-bit and very small and uses the
software of the size of credit card, it had demonstrated
great graphical capabilities with many more colors
(yes, even more so than 16-bit Mega Drive which came ut
later than PC-Engine). As a pioneer of technology, NEC
also introduced PC-Engine CD in Dec 4, 1988, the first
CD-based console. At the time, the price was out of reach
for far majority of gamers ($400 for an add-on), but
I knew many people got it (including myself) due to
Street Fighter, the first CD console game, Ys I&II, and
Tengai Makyo:Ziria.<br><br>Due to the poularity of
PC-Engine in Japan and the rest of Asia, NEC also
introduced the following PC-Engine Hu-Card
systems:<br><br><br>PC-Engine SuperGrafx - Nov 11, 1989:<br><br>Considered a
delux version of the card system, only 50,000 units
were made and were sold out immediately despite the
high prices. NEC originally planned to introduce many
SuperGrafx exclusive titles but the plan was scrapped. Only
4 or 5 such games were made, including Gouls n'
Ghost and 1943+ <br><br><br>PC-Engine Shuttle - Dec 8,
1989<br><br>Considered an economy version of PC-E, it's grey and looks
like Jaguar. N upgrade to CD Rom is possile and it's
has few outlet in order to reduce the cost. When it
first came out, many were making fun of the system and
saying it's for those who couldn't afford PC-E but must
play them. Not now, I think this thing commands higher
prices on ebay than standard or Core
PC-E.<br><br><br>PC-Engine CoreGrafx - Dec 8, 1989:<br><br>Along with
Shuttle, NEC also released PC-Engine CoreGrafx. It''s
actually identical to the original white PC-Engine except
it's grey, instead of white. Its like a replacement
system of original PC-E.

Well, obviously, we can discuss everything
related to the games and hardware concerning PC-Engine,
TurboGrafx, and PC-FX.<br><br>I don't like to run a dedicated
NEC club (IMO, it's too boring), that's why I also
encourage discussions of other rare and/or classic
consoles, such as Neo-Geo, 3DO, Atari, Sega Genesis,
NES/SNES, Virtual Boy, Sega Master System, FM-Town Marty,
LaserActive, CD-I, Colecovision, Amiga-CD, and
more.<br><br>Plus, discussions of current development and gaming
trend such as PS2 and Dreamcast will also help compare
the past and present. I found by mixing discussions
of Turbo/NEC games w/ others, you get to appreciate
the games. This is evident with my Neo-Geo
club.<br><br>The bottom line is, I want everyone to feel
comfortable here and free to discuss gaming, and most
important of all, have fun.<br><br>Vince

Dear all club members:<br><br>I'd like to greet
everyone, I created this club simply because the lack of it
in Yahoo, by having a real club here,we can raise
interests and awareness of this great system (PC-Engine).
How can such a system go w/o a decent
club?<br><br>Many would ask me why I created a club for a dead
system? Well, it's not really dead, it's been given up by
NEC but there're many players keep goig back to the
games, particularly PCE-SCD games, it's considered the
best 16-bit system as far as qualiy of games and
graphic capabilities. This is the one of the only 2
systems that outlasted time (the other one is Neo-Geo)
and have the games' values going up. <br><br>However,
the main reason for starting the club is the fact
that TG-16 and PC-E games are increasingly difficult
to find, that Yahoo club will be served better,
unlike the mainstream systems which you can get games
and systems at your local BestBuy and WalMart. The
more people we have here, the more info and resources
we can pull together.<br><br>If anyone has anything
to discuss, feel free to ask and answer. Remember,
there's no such thing as stupd questions and answers,
every ?? and reply has its own merit. <br><br>Vince
<br>(first real official message from cofounder)

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