Yeh, in that case it doesn't need to "go back" to stock, as it was
stock under the "I didn't enable gold" definition already.

Dr. Bad

--- In tradewars_2002@y..., "Col Sanders" <colsanders@b...> wrote:
> I think he is referring to what most ops mean when they say stock,
which is
> more specifically, stock ships and planets. All the other settings
are
> generally modified to some degree...
>
> Col Sanders
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "bdavey3619" <davey@c...>
> To: <tradewars_2002@y...>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 6:10 PM
> Subject: [tradewars_2002] Re: Bote 2001
>
>
> > Define strictly stock. No offense intended, but most sysops don't
> > have half a clue what strictly stock is- the current BOTE was as
> > stock as any other game I've seen labelled as stock on a BBS.
Stock
> > seems to have been taken to mean "not gold" rather than anything
> > that's really related to the stock settings in any way... Turns
are
> > edited, bust clears are edited, colo regen is edited, port regen
is
> > edited, photons are edited (to be turned on), cloak & haz clear
> > edited, ships per fed are edited, rob/steal delay is edited-
that's
> > almost everything that you can edit without gold, yet people still
> > call that stock. Do you really mean strictly stock or do you mean
> > your conception of what you'd like strictly stock to be? (which
seems
> > to be the definition of stock every other sysop uses....)
> >
> > Dr. Bad
> >
> > --- In tradewars_2002@y..., "silver_dragon11720"
> > <silver_dragon11720@y...> wrote:
> > > I agree here, I think the host system should not be allowed to
send
> > a
> > > team. I also think it should go back to a strictly stock game.
> > Thats
> > > just the way I see it. As for who hosts it maybe in future
runnings
> > > it could be a drawing or something like that I dont know hehe.
> > > Silver
> > > --- In tradewars_2002@y..., "Gypsy" <Gypsy@t...> wrote:
> > > > it should go back to the ORIGINAL rules and setup... i am not
> > sure
> > > why this winner decides
> > > > where its hosted thing was put in anyway, it makes it too
easy to
> > > cheat... one of the original
> > > > ideas of the BOTE was that it be played on NEUTRAL ground with
> > > completely stock settings
> > > > except for turns. No edited ferrengal, no extra
colonists...Along
> > > with that the host was not
> > > > allowed to have a team playing. It's not a fluke that the
> > original
> > > rules and settings produced a
> > > > clear winner and that after changes were made tie's and stand-
> > > offf's started. I still can't figure
> > > > out who decided it was ok to change the rules of the game
anyway
> > > >
> > > > On 3 Apr 2002 at 16:40, Col Sanders wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I would like to see Mac, as a last parting decree settle it.
> > Heh.
> > > I
> > > > > will abide by his wishes, as BOTE still belongs to him in my
> > view.
> > > > > Earlier, before all this hoopla, he and I talked, and he
asked,
> > > if it
> > > > > was draw, what would I want, I told him I would prefer he
run it
> > > > > again, given the hell the sysop is often subjected to, but,
I
> > > would do
> > > > > it, if so chosen.
> > > > >
> > > > > At any rate, your idea seems legitimate to you, if it gets
> > Mac's
> > > ok.
> > > > >
> > > > > Col Sanders
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Brian Massey" <brianmassey@e...>
> > > > > To: <tradewars_2002@y...>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 4:29 PM
> > > > > Subject: RE: [tradewars_2002] Re: Bote 2001
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Ahhh I see. Well then, it makes sense to me to have the 12
> > > original
> > > > > members
> > > > > > of the Coastgames team and the Chicken Coop team decide
where
> > to
> > > > > > host it. And have Mac cast the tiebreaking vote if
necessary.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cherokee
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Gypsy [mailto:Gypsy@t...]
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 4:26 PM
> > > > > > To: tradewars_2002@y...
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [tradewars_2002] Re: Bote 2001
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Zoobar isn't the founder of the BOTE, he and Maverick had
a
> > > basic
> > > > > > idea of
> > > > > a
> > > > > > game, neither of
> > > > > > them had anything to do with the original rules, setup,
> > hosting
> > > or
> > > > > promotion
> > > > > > of the game. This
> > > > > > idea of the winning team picking the next host was one of
the
> > > rule
> > > > > > changes that Mac put in.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 3 Apr 2002 at 15:08, Space Ghost wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > well bote does have a founder...his name is ...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Zoobar and u would be better off posting this at
twgsdotorg
> > > for
> > > > > > > him to see..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > SG
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: Brian Massey <brianmassey@e...>
> > > > > > > To: <tradewars_2002@y...>
> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:50 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: RE: [tradewars_2002] Re: Bote 2001
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It seems to me that nobody is claiming "ownership" of
the
> > > BOTE,
> > > > > > > > so no one can just step in and make a decision.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have no idea what the best way to determine it will
be,
> > > but I
> > > > > > > > think
> > > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > are only a few servers that have ANY possible claim to
> > > hosting
> > > > > > > > BOTE 2002.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In no particular order...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Fament, if Mac turns the TWGS back on
> > > > > > > > -- because no single winner could really be decided
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Coastgames
> > > > > > > > -- because Corp 10 "probably" tied for first place
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Chicken Coop
> > > > > > > > -- because Corp 13 "probably" tied for first place
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > As it stands now, Fament is down and Coastgames
already
> > has
> > > a
> > > > > > > > major tournament, Chess (which is fantastic by the
way).
> > > Chicken
> > > > > > > > Coop looks like the logical choice to me. Of course,
I am
> > > > > > > > biased.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Cherokee
> > > > > > > > The Lost Traders Tavern
> > > > > > > > http://tavern.homeip.net
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: Hekate [mailto:hekate@t...]
> > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 1:01 PM
> > > > > > > > To: tradewars_2002@y...
> > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [tradewars_2002] Re: Bote 2001
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'll second that
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > about how I would place the game anyway
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > but BOTE 02 should still be hosted at
terra.playtw.org <G>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > cuz..what other sysop really wan'ts the headaches of
the
> > TW
> > > > > > > > players?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hekate
> > > > > > > > hekate@t...
> > > > > > > > ICQ: 10370329
> > > > > > > > MSN: twhekate
> > > > > > > > http://www.twlinks.com
> > > > > > > > http://www.playtw.org:90
> > > > > > > > telnet://terra.playtw.org
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: Talon Karrde [mailto:dab315@p...]
> > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 9:16 AM
> > > > > > > > To: tradewars_2002@y...
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [tradewars_2002] Re: Bote 2001
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Well, not that anyone seemed to care before, but the
> > Cloud 9
> > > > > > > > proposal
> > > > > > > still
> > > > > > > > stands.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 1st Place: Corps 10 / 13
> > > > > > > > - The two strongest and most active during the final
> > years,
> > > > > > > > erm.. months
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > the game. Let them argue where the game is to be
played
> > next
> > > > > > > > year, if at all.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2nd Place: Corps 21 / 3
> > > > > > > > - We initially offered to take second place because
the
> > > game was
> > > > > > > > in stalemate mode and we didn't want to wake up at 7am
> > > anymore.
> > > > > > > > It still
> > > > > > > suits
> > > > > > > > the result because both us and corp 21 were able to
hold
> > off
> > > > > > > > everyone else even if it was difficult to gain ground.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I believed and still do believe that's the fairest
> > possible
> > > > > > > > result considering the level of activity and
dedication
> > > shown by
> > > > > > > > all the teams.
> > > > > > > If
> > > > > > > > the game were to be decided by LAST years rules, we'd
win
> > > > > > > > because we have the most remaining players that aren't
> > <ship
> > > > > > > > destroyed> but last rules
> > > > > > > were
> > > > > > > > obviously not fair to everybody because I ended up
> > getting
> > > third
> > > > > > > > place to
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > stardock camper with one death.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > That's my suggestion in case someone has a better
idea.
> > > > > > > > -TK
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >From: "bdavey3619" <davey@c...>
> > > > > > > > >Reply-To: tradewars_2002@y...
> > > > > > > > >To: tradewars_2002@y...
> > > > > > > > >Subject: [tradewars_2002] Re: Bote 2001
> > > > > > > > >Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 07:56:32 -0000
> > > > > > > > >
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