Define strictly stock. No offense intended, but most sysops don't
have half a clue what strictly stock is- the current BOTE was as
stock as any other game I've seen labelled as stock on a BBS. Stock
seems to have been taken to mean "not gold" rather than anything
that's really related to the stock settings in any way... Turns are
edited, bust clears are edited, colo regen is edited, port regen is
edited, photons are edited (to be turned on), cloak & haz clear
edited, ships per fed are edited, rob/steal delay is edited- that's
almost everything that you can edit without gold, yet people still
call that stock. Do you really mean strictly stock or do you mean
your conception of what you'd like strictly stock to be? (which seems
to be the definition of stock every other sysop uses....)

Dr. Bad

--- In tradewars_2002@y..., "silver_dragon11720"
<silver_dragon11720@y...> wrote:
> I agree here, I think the host system should not be allowed to send
a
> team. I also think it should go back to a strictly stock game.
Thats
> just the way I see it. As for who hosts it maybe in future runnings
> it could be a drawing or something like that I dont know hehe.
> Silver
> --- In tradewars_2002@y..., "Gypsy" <Gypsy@t...> wrote:
> > it should go back to the ORIGINAL rules and setup... i am not
sure
> why this winner decides
> > where its hosted thing was put in anyway, it makes it too easy to
> cheat... one of the original
> > ideas of the BOTE was that it be played on NEUTRAL ground with
> completely stock settings
> > except for turns. No edited ferrengal, no extra colonists...Along
> with that the host was not
> > allowed to have a team playing. It's not a fluke that the
original
> rules and settings produced a
> > clear winner and that after changes were made tie's and stand-
> offf's started. I still can't figure
> > out who decided it was ok to change the rules of the game anyway
> >
> > On 3 Apr 2002 at 16:40, Col Sanders wrote:
> >
> > > I would like to see Mac, as a last parting decree settle it.
Heh.
> I
> > > will abide by his wishes, as BOTE still belongs to him in my
view.
> > > Earlier, before all this hoopla, he and I talked, and he asked,
> if it
> > > was draw, what would I want, I told him I would prefer he run it
> > > again, given the hell the sysop is often subjected to, but, I
> would do
> > > it, if so chosen.
> > >
> > > At any rate, your idea seems legitimate to you, if it gets
Mac's
> ok.
> > >
> > > Col Sanders
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Brian Massey" <brianmassey@e...>
> > > To: <tradewars_2002@y...>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 4:29 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [tradewars_2002] Re: Bote 2001
> > >
> > >
> > > > Ahhh I see. Well then, it makes sense to me to have the 12
> original
> > > members
> > > > of the Coastgames team and the Chicken Coop team decide where
to
> > > > host it. And have Mac cast the tiebreaking vote if necessary.
> > > >
> > > > Cherokee
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Gypsy [mailto:Gypsy@t...]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 4:26 PM
> > > > To: tradewars_2002@y...
> > > > Subject: Re: [tradewars_2002] Re: Bote 2001
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Zoobar isn't the founder of the BOTE, he and Maverick had a
> basic
> > > > idea of
> > > a
> > > > game, neither of
> > > > them had anything to do with the original rules, setup,
hosting
> or
> > > promotion
> > > > of the game. This
> > > > idea of the winning team picking the next host was one of the
> rule
> > > > changes that Mac put in.
> > > >
> > > > On 3 Apr 2002 at 15:08, Space Ghost wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > well bote does have a founder...his name is ...
> > > > >
> > > > > Zoobar and u would be better off posting this at twgsdotorg
> for
> > > > > him to see..
> > > > >
> > > > > SG
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Brian Massey <brianmassey@e...>
> > > > > To: <tradewars_2002@y...>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:50 PM
> > > > > Subject: RE: [tradewars_2002] Re: Bote 2001
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > It seems to me that nobody is claiming "ownership" of the
> BOTE,
> > > > > > so no one can just step in and make a decision.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have no idea what the best way to determine it will be,
> but I
> > > > > > think
> > > > > there
> > > > > > are only a few servers that have ANY possible claim to
> hosting
> > > > > > BOTE 2002.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In no particular order...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Fament, if Mac turns the TWGS back on
> > > > > > -- because no single winner could really be decided
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Coastgames
> > > > > > -- because Corp 10 "probably" tied for first place
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Chicken Coop
> > > > > > -- because Corp 13 "probably" tied for first place
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As it stands now, Fament is down and Coastgames already
has
> a
> > > > > > major tournament, Chess (which is fantastic by the way).
> Chicken
> > > > > > Coop looks like the logical choice to me. Of course, I am
> > > > > > biased.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cherokee
> > > > > > The Lost Traders Tavern
> > > > > > http://tavern.homeip.net
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Hekate [mailto:hekate@t...]
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 1:01 PM
> > > > > > To: tradewars_2002@y...
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [tradewars_2002] Re: Bote 2001
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'll second that
> > > > > >
> > > > > > about how I would place the game anyway
> > > > > >
> > > > > > but BOTE 02 should still be hosted at terra.playtw.org <G>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > cuz..what other sysop really wan'ts the headaches of the
TW
> > > > > > players?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hekate
> > > > > > hekate@t...
> > > > > > ICQ: 10370329
> > > > > > MSN: twhekate
> > > > > > http://www.twlinks.com
> > > > > > http://www.playtw.org:90
> > > > > > telnet://terra.playtw.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Talon Karrde [mailto:dab315@p...]
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 9:16 AM
> > > > > > To: tradewars_2002@y...
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [tradewars_2002] Re: Bote 2001
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Well, not that anyone seemed to care before, but the
Cloud 9
> > > > > > proposal
> > > > > still
> > > > > > stands.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1st Place: Corps 10 / 13
> > > > > > - The two strongest and most active during the final
years,
> > > > > > erm.. months
> > > > > of
> > > > > > the game. Let them argue where the game is to be played
next
> > > > > > year, if at all.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2nd Place: Corps 21 / 3
> > > > > > - We initially offered to take second place because the
> game was
> > > > > > in stalemate mode and we didn't want to wake up at 7am
> anymore.
> > > > > > It still
> > > > > suits
> > > > > > the result because both us and corp 21 were able to hold
off
> > > > > > everyone else even if it was difficult to gain ground.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I believed and still do believe that's the fairest
possible
> > > > > > result considering the level of activity and dedication
> shown by
> > > > > > all the teams.
> > > > > If
> > > > > > the game were to be decided by LAST years rules, we'd win
> > > > > > because we have the most remaining players that aren't
<ship
> > > > > > destroyed> but last rules
> > > > > were
> > > > > > obviously not fair to everybody because I ended up
getting
> third
> > > > > > place to
> > > > > a
> > > > > > stardock camper with one death.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That's my suggestion in case someone has a better idea.
> > > > > > -TK
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: "bdavey3619" <davey@c...>
> > > > > > >Reply-To: tradewars_2002@y...
> > > > > > >To: tradewars_2002@y...
> > > > > > >Subject: [tradewars_2002] Re: Bote 2001
> > > > > > >Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 07:56:32 -0000
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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