it should go back to the ORIGINAL rules and setup... i am not sure why this
winner decides
where its hosted thing was put in anyway, it makes it too easy to cheat... one
of the original
ideas of the BOTE was that it be played on NEUTRAL ground with completely stock
settings
except for turns. No edited ferrengal, no extra colonists...Along with that the
host was not
allowed to have a team playing. It's not a fluke that the original rules and
settings produced a
clear winner and that after changes were made tie's and stand-offf's started. I
still can't figure
out who decided it was ok to change the rules of the game anyway

On 3 Apr 2002 at 16:40, Col Sanders wrote:

> I would like to see Mac, as a last parting decree settle it. Heh. I
> will abide by his wishes, as BOTE still belongs to him in my view.
> Earlier, before all this hoopla, he and I talked, and he asked, if it
> was draw, what would I want, I told him I would prefer he run it
> again, given the hell the sysop is often subjected to, but, I would do
> it, if so chosen.
>
> At any rate, your idea seems legitimate to you, if it gets Mac's ok.
>
> Col Sanders
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian Massey" <brianmassey@...>
> To: <tradewars_2002@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 4:29 PM
> Subject: RE: [tradewars_2002] Re: Bote 2001
>
>
> > Ahhh I see. Well then, it makes sense to me to have the 12 original
> members
> > of the Coastgames team and the Chicken Coop team decide where to
> > host it. And have Mac cast the tiebreaking vote if necessary.
> >
> > Cherokee
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gypsy [mailto:Gypsy@...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 4:26 PM
> > To: tradewars_2002@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [tradewars_2002] Re: Bote 2001
> >
> >
> > Zoobar isn't the founder of the BOTE, he and Maverick had a basic
> > idea of
> a
> > game, neither of
> > them had anything to do with the original rules, setup, hosting or
> promotion
> > of the game. This
> > idea of the winning team picking the next host was one of the rule
> > changes that Mac put in.
> >
> > On 3 Apr 2002 at 15:08, Space Ghost wrote:
> >
> > > well bote does have a founder...his name is ...
> > >
> > > Zoobar and u would be better off posting this at twgsdotorg for
> > > him to see..
> > >
> > > SG
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Brian Massey <brianmassey@...>
> > > To: <tradewars_2002@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:50 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [tradewars_2002] Re: Bote 2001
> > >
> > >
> > > > It seems to me that nobody is claiming "ownership" of the BOTE,
> > > > so no one can just step in and make a decision.
> > > >
> > > > I have no idea what the best way to determine it will be, but I
> > > > think
> > > there
> > > > are only a few servers that have ANY possible claim to hosting
> > > > BOTE 2002.
> > > >
> > > > In no particular order...
> > > >
> > > > Fament, if Mac turns the TWGS back on
> > > > -- because no single winner could really be decided
> > > >
> > > > Coastgames
> > > > -- because Corp 10 "probably" tied for first place
> > > >
> > > > Chicken Coop
> > > > -- because Corp 13 "probably" tied for first place
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > As it stands now, Fament is down and Coastgames already has a
> > > > major tournament, Chess (which is fantastic by the way). Chicken
> > > > Coop looks like the logical choice to me. Of course, I am
> > > > biased.
> > > >
> > > > Cherokee
> > > > The Lost Traders Tavern
> > > > http://tavern.homeip.net
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Hekate [mailto:hekate@...]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 1:01 PM
> > > > To: tradewars_2002@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [tradewars_2002] Re: Bote 2001
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'll second that
> > > >
> > > > about how I would place the game anyway
> > > >
> > > > but BOTE 02 should still be hosted at terra.playtw.org <G>
> > > >
> > > > cuz..what other sysop really wan'ts the headaches of the TW
> > > > players?
> > > >
> > > > Hekate
> > > > hekate@...
> > > > ICQ: 10370329
> > > > MSN: twhekate
> > > > http://www.twlinks.com
> > > > http://www.playtw.org:90
> > > > telnet://terra.playtw.org
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Talon Karrde [mailto:dab315@...]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 9:16 AM
> > > > To: tradewars_2002@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [tradewars_2002] Re: Bote 2001
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well, not that anyone seemed to care before, but the Cloud 9
> > > > proposal
> > > still
> > > > stands.
> > > >
> > > > 1st Place: Corps 10 / 13
> > > > - The two strongest and most active during the final years,
> > > > erm.. months
> > > of
> > > > the game. Let them argue where the game is to be played next
> > > > year, if at all.
> > > >
> > > > 2nd Place: Corps 21 / 3
> > > > - We initially offered to take second place because the game was
> > > > in stalemate mode and we didn't want to wake up at 7am anymore.
> > > > It still
> > > suits
> > > > the result because both us and corp 21 were able to hold off
> > > > everyone else even if it was difficult to gain ground.
> > > >
> > > > I believed and still do believe that's the fairest possible
> > > > result considering the level of activity and dedication shown by
> > > > all the teams.
> > > If
> > > > the game were to be decided by LAST years rules, we'd win
> > > > because we have the most remaining players that aren't <ship
> > > > destroyed> but last rules
> > > were
> > > > obviously not fair to everybody because I ended up getting third
> > > > place to
> > > a
> > > > stardock camper with one death.
> > > >
> > > > That's my suggestion in case someone has a better idea.
> > > > -TK
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "bdavey3619" <davey@...>
> > > > >Reply-To: tradewars_2002@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >To: tradewars_2002@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >Subject: [tradewars_2002] Re: Bote 2001
> > > > >Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 07:56:32 -0000
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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