Hi there,

        It has come to my great attention that everyone has been
laytely focussing only on the video playback capabilities of these
players.  As a final note to that, the Nuon type player seems to be
the only DVD player that can be set as universal region player.
Now, moving on.....  Now, imagine that you buy a DVD to a movie.  In
the previews or something, you discover that a game was made for
that movie.  You may have liked the movie soo much that you want to
play the game, however, the game is sold separately.  So you shell
out another $30 or more for a game for PS2, X-Box, GameCube,
(depending on which console you own) or PC.  Now, wouldn't it be
nice if you didn't have to shell out that extra $30 or so, and you
could play the game right there, on the same disc as the movie,
without even having to remove the disc from the player?  Or,
wouldn't it be nice, that, if you're renting the DVD, that you could
actually preview the game as well...  you know, to see if it sucks
or not?  Imagine, if all you had to do was go to the "Special
Features" menu, or, "Nuon Features" menu and select "Play Game" and
there you are.  With a Nuon player, and a Nuon enhanced DVD, video
production companies could do exactly that and give you graphics as
good as or better than GameCube.  This is suppossed to be the whole
real point of it.  Yes, of course, as much as I've said, the video
playback possibilities are endless and very nice, but, that's only a
very small portion of what this technology is fully capable of.  A
few of us here have to understand that it's alot more than a DVD
player, and I hope some of you do.

Thank you,
Plug.

At around the date of Tuesday, January 13, 2004, Michael wrote:


Michael> Hi there,

Michael>        Alot of people believe that this is the case with alot
Michael> of  players,  however, what you don't know is alot of players
Michael> don't  do  this  at  all.  In fact some players will actually
Michael> lock,  and refuse to operate until you unplug it if you stick
Michael> a region free disc in them.  Also, even thought you may think

I  have  purchased many officially-labeled 'region-free' DVD discs and
none  have  caused  any of mine or my friends players to lock up. If a
DVD  player crashes, it is due to buggy firmware in the player or some
hardware issue.

Michael> that a homebrew DVD is region free.  The point is, it is not.

Region  encoding  is  optional  when  authoring  a DVD. According to a
friend,  the term 'encoding' in region-encoding is a bit misleading as
it's  nothing more than a set of flags for each region that are either
set  (region  x  can play DVD) or not set (region x can not play DVD).
Region-free  DVD  players  merely  ignore  this  flag, as they do with
macrovision-disabling.

Michael> Most  DVD  burning  software  out  there actually encodes the
Michael> region that the DVD will be played in as well to the disc. 

You  can  set  ALL  region  flags  to  allow a DVD to be played in all
regions, hence region-free.

Michael> it.    In other words this player is more versatile than most
Michael> any  other  player  out  there when it comes to the discs you
Michael> want  to  play.   Like,  let's say you live in the US and you
Michael> order  a DVD from the UK.  Now , of course you know that this
Michael> disc  was  region encoded to only play in the UK, or you will
Michael> at least find that out if you try to play it in a regular DVD

My APEX is a bit more flexible with formats than the NUON after quite
a bit of trial and error, but I love my N501 for it's ability to play
DVD+R/RW discs without any problem.

Michael> I  do  find  it  particularly strange that you RabitGuy can't
Michael> seem  to  play  directly  burned  mpeg  or  mpg files in your
Michael> player,  because  our  player here can.  One thing you should
Michael> make  sure  is  that  your  player  has been updated with the
Michael> latest  firmware.   The  way  to  do  this is to turn on your

I  only  tried  it  a few times with some random MPEG files (not quite
DVD-compliant MPEG2 rip'd from a TiVO), but I'll have to give it a try
again... This would save me a lot of time if it works!

Michael> player  and eject the disc if there is one.  If there isn't a
Michael> disc,  then  press  and hold the "Play" and "Stop" buttons at
Michael> the  same  time on the player.  You should get a screen for a
Michael> few  seconds  that  says  "F/W Version 1.03.**.00" as the top

Yep, I updated to the latest N501 firmware.

Michael> line,  then  your  player  will  shut  off.   Pay  particular
Michael> attention  to  that  3rd set of numbers where I placed "**". 
Michael> For example: 1.03.49.00.  If your player is 51 or below, then
Michael> it  must  be  updated.   The  latest  revision is 53 which is
Michael> preloaded  on  the  last  edition  of  the N501 player.  This
Michael> should give the player the ability to play everthing smoothly
Michael> including  directly  burned  mpeg or mpg files.  You may also
Michael> want to make sure that you're using EASY CD, or DVD Creator 5
Michael> or  above  to  burn your discs since this program is known to
Michael> burn the discs in basic, playble in all player formats.

I use Nero, personally.

Michael> Also,  DVDs  are  encoded  in  MPEG2 traditionally.  The same
Michael> format  as SVCD.  VCDs are in MPEG1.  Low quality DVDs may be
Michael> recorded  in  MPEG1,  but  only a very small number are.  You
Michael> learn this if you've ever ripped a DVD.  I hope this helped.

I've  authored  more  VCD/DVDs than I've ripped, but thanks muchly for
the info!  The N501 is definitely the coolest player out there and
pretty much everyone I show it to is impressed...

rabit
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Hi all,

        I thought that just in case some of anyone didn't understand
that each of the Samsung DVD-N5xx players were not numbered
differently due to version changes, but were numbered according to
default region.  Something we should all take note of is that, like
all DVD players, these players will not play a DVD, VCD, SVCD, or
PAL format disc from another region other than their default region
unless the player is set for the region of that disc, the player is
set to universal region playback, or the disc is region free.  The
region numbers are as follows:  DVD-N501=US and Canada, DVD-N504 and
N505=UK and Russia, DVD-N591=Asian Countries.  I hope this clarifies
a few things.

Plug.

Hey,

      ok, and can someone explain here why that someone
that lives in Canada has an email address in ".ru"? In
case some of you aren't familiar with internet country
codes, .ru translates as "Russia".

Just a question.

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--- Adrian Oboroc <dhau@...> wrote:
> Dear friend, I admire your respect for people of all
> races and nations. I am romanian who lives in Canada
> for the best part of my life and mostly work with
> people from India, Africa and China. It happends
> that I studied russian and speak more languages then
> an average American knows capitals of Asian
> countries. Now behave, or your local Triada division
> will take special care of you :)
>
> > Hmm don't you mean you're more like a cheap
> Russian Cossack?
>
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Ok,

        It appears that there is alot of confusion here
and oddities with these players.  All the functions
yyou're saying Adrian that do not work on yours seems
to work fine on ours here and many others.  I'm
beginning to think that you may have gotten a faulty
player or your player has bad firmware.  At least by
analysis of your messages and experience of this
player, I can say it's a possible safe assumption.
Also, just because you got the player in December of
2002 does not always mean it has the newest firmware.
Infact, Samsung did release further updates even after
they stopped making the player as part of extended
customer care.  However, now you can find the update
at Nuon-Dome and maybe a few other places. Also, VM
labs isn't totally dead, just gone into hiding.  I
suggest you check http://www.nuon-dome.com for the
firmware update and other info that may help you.
There is VM labs news there as well.  Now the remote
is a common Samsung Extiva Remote, which, was not only
on the Nuon, but a few other players as well, and is
the biggest customer complaint against Samsung DVD
players in general.  Oh well.  At least we know we're
not the only ones.  I found that load times do depend
on firmware and the discs themselves.  It does vary,
however, players with the "53" firmware revision seem
to have the fastest start-up time.  To check your
firware revision, make there isn't a disc in the disc
tray and press and hold play and stp on the player at
the same time and look at the 3rd set of numbers in
the top line.  In other words the numbers after
"1.03.**.00"  IF your number is "51" or below, then
your player must be updated.  Now, the reason I said
that it sounds like you have a faulty player or bad
firmware is for the simple fact that your player can't
play PAL or SVCD movies.  This is not a common problem
at all with these players in particular.  In fact,
you'll find this to be a rather odd problem among
these and almost every DVD player whether it is a Nuon
type or not.  Well, with that said, congradulations
Adrian, you've graduated from being one as thought of
as bashing the product into one who is an interesting
tech support case.  I guess that's better, lol.  I'd
say that if the update doesn't seem to solve your
problems, then your player itself might be faulty.
Although, don't throw in the towel yet.  Your player
may have a setting problem as well considering that
you're having trouble with PAL movies.  Also,
suggestion:  When burning a movie in VCD, SVCD or DVD,
use Roxio Easy CD or DVD Creator 5 or above.  I found
tha this is the best for burning these types of discs
in a normal, universal playback format with no need
for any type of hacking.  Take note that some DVD
direct to DVD or VCD or SVCD burning programs do not
always burn the discs in normal format.  With the Easy
Creator you get more control and even warnings that
the output may not be playable on all players if you
record in a non standard format, however, in spite of
the warnings, I have had no trouble at all recording a
disc with this program and playing it back on our
Nuon.  I hope this info helps you and good luck.

Plug.
--- Adrian Oboroc <dhau@...> wrote:
> Ha-ha,
>
> I almost feel like a villian in some cheap Japanese
> SNES RPG or bad Kung-Fu movie :)
>
> Folks, I'd like to clear some points:
>
> I am not against technology, in fact I liked is so
> much, that I ordered N501 and two joysticks (one
> HPI, one Logitech). But marketing and positioning
> efforts by VM Labs was a classic example of a
> prematurely dead startup dot-com style.
>
> As of the shrine of NUON technology - the one of
> it's kind Samsung N501 player:
>
> 1) Things I like about N501: it's an ok DVD player
> (with few minor problems, read along) wich have
> available (but not open source) SDK to write your
> own programs. I even plan to try write something for
> it myself.
>
> 2) Things I don't like about N501:
>
> - it's remote sucks. Cheap tiny rubber buttons,
> insensitive joypad, stupid roundish shape wich makes
> it uncomfortable to operate it for more then 10-15
> seconds. I had to buy learning universal remote to
> get around this
>
> - load times are very slow. It takes 3 to 5 seconds
> to recognize the disc and start it
>
> - it doesn't play my PAL movies. My Pioneer DVD
> player from 2000 play PAL movies just fine. I've
> heard about AIWA remote unlocking trick, but I don't
> have one to unlock my unit
>
> - It doesn't play normal SVCD movies, but could be
> tricked into playing them by hacking headers and
> reburning. Again, Pioneer does play SVCDs without
> need to hack anything
>
> - menu system is flashy, but not practical. I would
> like to have a choice between flashy and bare-bone
> (like on TVs) menu. My arcaic Pioneer player have a
> barebone menu, and it's a great example of design
> with usability in mind
>
> I bought my player in December 2002, after company
> tittered, and probably because of this, my BIOS is
> more recent then the one available on Samsung
> support page.
>
> Again, being fanboys and blaming anyone who's saying
> anything unfavourable about your object of
> admiration doesn't make you sexier or smarter. So
> don't trigger your flamethrougher yet. Allow
> yourself 10 minutes to settle down and then proceed
> with my exterminations :)
>
> Cheers! I'm glad that I was able to trigger so much
> reaction. For a while I considered this mail list
> dead.
>
>
>
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Dear friend, I admire your respect for people of all races and nations. I am
romanian who lives in Canada for the best part of my life and mostly work with
people from India, Africa and China. It happends that I studied russian and
speak more languages then an average American knows capitals of Asian countries.
Now behave, or your local Triada division will take special care of you :)

> Hmm don't you mean you're more like a cheap Russian Cossack?

Hmm don't you mean you're more like a cheap Russian
Cossack?


--- Adrian Oboroc <dhau@...> wrote:
> Ha-ha,
>
> I almost feel like a villian in some cheap Japanese
> SNES RPG or bad Kung-Fu movie :)
>
> Folks, I'd like to clear some points:
>
> I am not against technology, in fact I liked is so
> much, that I ordered N501 and two joysticks (one
> HPI, one Logitech). But marketing and positioning
> efforts by VM Labs was a classic example of a
> prematurely dead startup dot-com style.
>
> As of the shrine of NUON technology - the one of
> it's kind Samsung N501 player:
>
> 1) Things I like about N501: it's an ok DVD player
> (with few minor problems, read along) wich have
> available (but not open source) SDK to write your
> own programs. I even plan to try write something for
> it myself.
>
> 2) Things I don't like about N501:
>
> - it's remote sucks. Cheap tiny rubber buttons,
> insensitive joypad, stupid roundish shape wich makes
> it uncomfortable to operate it for more then 10-15
> seconds. I had to buy learning universal remote to
> get around this
>
> - load times are very slow. It takes 3 to 5 seconds
> to recognize the disc and start it
>
> - it doesn't play my PAL movies. My Pioneer DVD
> player from 2000 play PAL movies just fine. I've
> heard about AIWA remote unlocking trick, but I don't
> have one to unlock my unit
>
> - It doesn't play normal SVCD movies, but could be
> tricked into playing them by hacking headers and
> reburning. Again, Pioneer does play SVCDs without
> need to hack anything
>
> - menu system is flashy, but not practical. I would
> like to have a choice between flashy and bare-bone
> (like on TVs) menu. My arcaic Pioneer player have a
> barebone menu, and it's a great example of design
> with usability in mind
>
> I bought my player in December 2002, after company
> tittered, and probably because of this, my BIOS is
> more recent then the one available on Samsung
> support page.
>
> Again, being fanboys and blaming anyone who's saying
> anything unfavourable about your object of
> admiration doesn't make you sexier or smarter. So
> don't trigger your flamethrougher yet. Allow
> yourself 10 minutes to settle down and then proceed
> with my exterminations :)
>
> Cheers! I'm glad that I was able to trigger so much
> reaction. For a while I considered this mail list
> dead.
>
>
>
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>
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Ha-ha,

I almost feel like a villian in some cheap Japanese SNES RPG or bad Kung-Fu
movie :)

Folks, I'd like to clear some points:

I am not against technology, in fact I liked is so much, that I ordered N501 and
two joysticks (one HPI, one Logitech). But marketing and positioning efforts by
VM Labs was a classic example of a prematurely dead startup dot-com style.

As of the shrine of NUON technology - the one of it's kind Samsung N501 player:

1) Things I like about N501: it's an ok DVD player (with few minor problems,
read along) wich have available (but not open source) SDK to write your own
programs. I even plan to try write something for it myself.

2) Things I don't like about N501:

- it's remote sucks. Cheap tiny rubber buttons, insensitive joypad, stupid
roundish shape wich makes it uncomfortable to operate it for more then 10-15
seconds. I had to buy learning universal remote to get around this

- load times are very slow. It takes 3 to 5 seconds to recognize the disc and
start it

- it doesn't play my PAL movies. My Pioneer DVD player from 2000 play PAL movies
just fine. I've heard about AIWA remote unlocking trick, but I don't have one to
unlock my unit

- It doesn't play normal SVCD movies, but could be tricked into playing them by
hacking headers and reburning. Again, Pioneer does play SVCDs without need to
hack anything

- menu system is flashy, but not practical. I would like to have a choice
between flashy and bare-bone (like on TVs) menu. My arcaic Pioneer player have a
barebone menu, and it's a great example of design with usability in mind

I bought my player in December 2002, after company tittered, and probably
because of this, my BIOS is more recent then the one available on Samsung
support page.

Again, being fanboys and blaming anyone who's saying anything unfavourable about
your object of admiration doesn't make you sexier or smarter. So don't trigger
your flamethrougher yet. Allow yourself 10 minutes to settle down and then
proceed with my exterminations :)

Cheers! I'm glad that I was able to trigger so much reaction. For a while I
considered this mail list dead.

Hi there,

        Alot of people believe that this is the case
with alot of players, however, what you don't know is
alot of players don't do this at all.  In fact some
players will actually lock, and refuse to operate
until you unplug it if you stick a region free disc in
them.  Also, even thought you may think that a
homebrew DVD is region free.  The point is, it is not.
  Most DVD burning software out there actually encodes
the region that the DVD will be played in as well to
the disc.  However, that's not exactly the point to be
made with Nuon, or a Samsung N501.  The point is that
you can not only have this player play region free
DVDs, but, it can also play a DVD from any region
itself, without even having to re-record it.   In
other words this player is more versatile than most
any other player out there when it comes to the discs
you want to play.  Like, let's say you live in the US
and you order a DVD from the UK.  Now , of course you
know that this disc was region encoded to only play in
the UK, or you will at least find that out if you try
to play it in a regular DVD player.  With the Nuon
technology, you can set the player to play that disc
in just a few keystrokes, and you don't need a player
from the UK.  Now there are some players that will let
you change the region as well, but if you change
regions often, they will only let you do it for up to
at least 5 or 6 times, then you can no longer change
from your default region.  Now the N501, N504, N505,
and N591 have this option as well, plus a region free
setting that you can make a permanent setting option
that no other player has.  Whew, now I'm out of breath
from that one, lol.  Now, I hope I've clearfied that
for a few people.

I do find it particularly strange that you RabitGuy
can't seem to play directly burned mpeg or mpg files
in your player, because our player here can.  One
thing you should make sure is that your player has
been updated with the latest firmware.  The way to do
this is to turn on your player and eject the disc if
there is one.  If there isn't a disc, then press and
hold the "Play" and "Stop" buttons at the same time on
the player.  You should get a screen for a few seconds
that says "F/W Version 1.03.**.00" as the top line,
then your player will shut off.  Pay particular
attention to that 3rd set of numbers where I placed
"**".  For example: 1.03.49.00.  If your player is 51
or below, then it must be updated.  The latest
revision is 53 which is preloaded on the last edition
of the N501 player.  This should give the player the
ability to play everthing smoothly including directly
burned mpeg or mpg files.  You may also want to make
sure that you're using EASY CD, or DVD Creator 5 or
above to burn your discs since this program is known
to burn the discs in basic, playble in all player
formats.

Also, DVDs are encoded in MPEG2 traditionally.  The
same format as SVCD.  VCDs are in MPEG1.  Low quality
DVDs may be recorded in MPEG1, but only a very small
number are.  You learn this if you've ever ripped a
DVD.  I hope this helped.

Plug.


--- RabitGuy <rabit@...> wrote:
>
> David> Hmmm,  and  why don't you see it as possible?
> I didn't say they
> David> killed  it,  but they didn't help it either.
> Considering at the
> David> time,  most  dvd  players  wouldn't run just
> a burn off the fly
> David> homebrew  dvd  of  a movie without region
> issues, or something,
> David> and the n501 broke those barriers.
>
> I  only  recently  picked  up  a DVD burner, but my
> impression is that
> pretty much all DVD players can play homebrew
> region-free DVD content,
> provided  that the drive mechanism can read the
> disc. I don't think it
> was  the  N501  that  broke those barriers as even
> my older APEX works
> fine.  What  NUON  did  do,  however,  was  create
> a new standard for
> producing DVDs far superior to what was currently
> available, but could
> totally  put  all other DVD players in obsolescence.
> Unfortunately, no
> DVD was ever released to properly take advantage of
> those features.
>
> David> You  can  assume  the  movie industry loved
> them, but had they,
> David> wouldn't  it  still  be  going?  VM labs did
> some stupids parly
> David> tricks and thats what got them into the mess
> they ended up in.
>
> I  don't know much about the company other than Jeff
> Minter worked for
> them.  I'd like to read about it, though - Is there
> a website anywhere
> that has all these details?
>
> David> that's  not entirely true, some dvd's are
> encoded as MPEG1, not
> David> many but some.
>
> True,  and  720x480  sized  stills  can be encoded
> in either MPEG1, as
> well. The DVD standard supports MPEG1/2 at various
> resolutions between
> 352x240  and  720x480.  I've  had pretty good luck
> with the stuff I've
> authored  myself on the NUON (as I have with other
> players) - it would
> be  really  nice  if  the  NUON could play MPEG
> files simply burned as
> files to ISO/UDF DVDs like my APEX can, though.
>
> rabit
> http://bunny.rawbitz.com/
>
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David> Hmmm,  and  why don't you see it as possible? I didn't say they
David> killed  it,  but they didn't help it either. Considering at the
David> time,  most  dvd  players  wouldn't run just a burn off the fly
David> homebrew  dvd  of  a movie without region issues, or something,
David> and the n501 broke those barriers.

I  only  recently  picked  up  a DVD burner, but my impression is that
pretty much all DVD players can play homebrew region-free DVD content,
provided  that the drive mechanism can read the disc. I don't think it
was  the  N501  that  broke those barriers as even my older APEX works
fine.  What  NUON  did  do,  however,  was  create  a new standard for
producing DVDs far superior to what was currently available, but could
totally  put  all other DVD players in obsolescence. Unfortunately, no
DVD was ever released to properly take advantage of those features.

David> You  can  assume  the  movie industry loved them, but had they,
David> wouldn't  it  still  be  going?  VM labs did some stupids parly
David> tricks and thats what got them into the mess they ended up in.

I  don't know much about the company other than Jeff Minter worked for
them.  I'd like to read about it, though - Is there a website anywhere
that has all these details?

David> that's  not entirely true, some dvd's are encoded as MPEG1, not
David> many but some.

True,  and  720x480  sized  stills  can be encoded in either MPEG1, as
well. The DVD standard supports MPEG1/2 at various resolutions between
352x240  and  720x480.  I've  had pretty good luck with the stuff I've
authored  myself on the NUON (as I have with other players) - it would
be  really  nice  if  the  NUON could play MPEG files simply burned as
files to ISO/UDF DVDs like my APEX can, though.

rabit
http://bunny.rawbitz.com/

Hmmm, and why don't you see it as possible?
I didn't say they killed it, but they didn't help it
either.  Considering at the time, most dvd players
wouldn't run just a burn off the fly homebrew dvd of a
movie without region issues, or something, and the
n501 broke those barriers.

You can assume the movie industry loved them, but had
they, wouldn't it still be going?  VM labs did some
stupids parly tricks and thats what got them into the
mess they ended up in.

Currently,  the  DVD  standard  requires  all
> content  to  be  static
> MPEG2-encoded  stills  and  video sequences. NUON
> would have offered a
> way  for DVDs to completely break away from that and
> offer things like
> real  dynamic  interactive content, transitions
> without breaks, and so
> on.

that's not entirely true, some dvd's are encoded as
MPEG1, not many but some.

Also NUON would have provided that, but I doubt the
group that put together the MPEG2-encoding on dvds
would have been as enthusiastic.



--- RabitGuy <rabit@...> wrote:
>
>
> M> Well,
>
> M> See,  this  technology  was killed by the movie
> and gaming industry
> M> because they saw it as a huge threat.
>
> I  don't see that as being possible. I believe that
> the movie industry
> would  have  loved  to see NUON technology become a
> universal standard
> (provided that they were even aware about it in the
> first place).
>
> Currently,  the  DVD  standard  requires  all
> content  to  be  static
> MPEG2-encoded  stills  and  video sequences. NUON
> would have offered a
> way  for DVDs to completely break away from that and
> offer things like
> real  dynamic  interactive content, transitions
> without breaks, and so
> on.  The  BOB/NUI  programming language that NUON
> adopted for building
> menus  really  could  have  revolutionized  the  way
>  DVD  content  is
> produced.
>
> I  posted  in  the NUON forums on Gamasutra years
> ago before the first
> NUON  player  was  ever released about how I'm sure
> it'd become one of
> the  most sought out players if they ever released
> an open SDK for it.
> I  bought my N501 when they finally did, but by then
> it wasn't easy to
> find  without  going  online.  There  are a lot of
> people enthusiastic
> about  a  'hackable'  DVD  player,  and the whole
> 'secret menu' in the
> uber-cheap  APEX  players  clearly  didn't hurt
> APEX. My local Circuit
> City  sold  out  of  that  player  fairly  quickly
> after that Slashdot
> article (I got one that day, many friends bought as
> well). Now APEX is
> selling  a  whole  line  of  players  everywhere and
> there is still an
> active  community  of people working with the
> original APEX DVD player
> firmware.
>
> Perhaps  NUON  could have a second life if they ever
> released the code
> to  their  BOB/NML/NUI  environment.  There are a
> lot of projects like
> Freevo,  XBOX  Media  Player/Center, MythTV, and
> MMBoX that attempt to
> convert  a  PC  into  an  all-in-one entertainment
> appliance and could
> benefit   from  a  UI  framework  tailored  more
> for  embedded  media
> appliances and television screens than
> HTML/Javascript.
>
> rabit
> http://bunny.rawbitz.com/
>
>


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M> Well,

M> See,  this  technology  was killed by the movie and gaming industry
M> because they saw it as a huge threat.

I  don't see that as being possible. I believe that the movie industry
would  have  loved  to see NUON technology become a universal standard
(provided that they were even aware about it in the first place).

Currently,  the  DVD  standard  requires  all  content  to  be  static
MPEG2-encoded  stills  and  video sequences. NUON would have offered a
way  for DVDs to completely break away from that and offer things like
real  dynamic  interactive content, transitions without breaks, and so
on.  The  BOB/NUI  programming language that NUON adopted for building
menus  really  could  have  revolutionized  the  way  DVD  content  is
produced.

I  posted  in  the NUON forums on Gamasutra years ago before the first
NUON  player  was  ever released about how I'm sure it'd become one of
the  most sought out players if they ever released an open SDK for it.
I  bought my N501 when they finally did, but by then it wasn't easy to
find  without  going  online.  There  are a lot of people enthusiastic
about  a  'hackable'  DVD  player,  and the whole 'secret menu' in the
uber-cheap  APEX  players  clearly  didn't hurt APEX. My local Circuit
City  sold  out  of  that  player  fairly  quickly after that Slashdot
article (I got one that day, many friends bought as well). Now APEX is
selling  a  whole  line  of  players  everywhere and there is still an
active  community  of people working with the original APEX DVD player
firmware.

Perhaps  NUON  could have a second life if they ever released the code
to  their  BOB/NML/NUI  environment.  There are a lot of projects like
Freevo,  XBOX  Media  Player/Center, MythTV, and MMBoX that attempt to
convert  a  PC  into  an  all-in-one entertainment appliance and could
benefit   from  a  UI  framework  tailored  more  for  embedded  media
appliances and television screens than HTML/Javascript.

rabit
http://bunny.rawbitz.com/

Hmm, I guess my question is, then why are you in the
group, or are you the naysayer for this group?

It's a pity you haven't done research into this
technology, cause I have and so has Michael.  First
off it DOES have Progressive Scan - you need to get a
firmware update for this to be enabled - most dvd
players can't be updated via firmware, the ps2 itself
needs hardware updating to make it work.

Second, where do you assume the N501 is old generation
dvd player? it's 2nd generation - currently (unless
somewhere in japan) there are very few players that
can run the formats this can run, being able to just
run a mp3 without a playlist is impressive.

Never heard of the Atari Falcon, or the PocketStation,
I'm guessing you are not from America, cause I've
never heard of those.

Things to remember are this, Atari long ago was the
mainstream gaming system, nothing touched them, except
for their failure to pay back their debts.  Sony was
just a TV and audio company then, and Microsoft was in
its infancy, making what few games and very early
versions of DOS for IBM.

But to hear someone such as you claim that this
revolutionary dvd/game system is old and outdated
shows you're ignorance in this matter, the fact your
from Russia astounds me - since the n501 was never
distributed to your region - so the player you DO have
is a very old one.  The one I have has progressive
scan, and many more features.  I got mine mainly so I
could program in C++ again, and see my work "at play".


Microsoft knew of the NUON and so did Sony, both felt
threatened, but the main whiner was the movie and
gaming industry, and some of think that perhaps that's
who helped NUON die - it's currently the only player
that will read a dvd or vcd or hdcd for multi region
playing - that means, for you to understand, that I
could burn a dvd for you, and you could run it off
yours - but you'd need a 501.

Did you learn something?


--- Adrian Oboroc <dhau@...> wrote:
> Hello Michael,
>
> I do like my NUON DVD player (N501). It's a great
> old generation DVD player (no progressive scan) with
> some interesting (but not really useful) features.
> There is nothing stellar about the technology. It's
> interesting in obscure sence. Like Atari Falcon 030
> or PocketStation or something like this. The Aeries
> chipset seems to be good only for streaming data
> processing (audio/video). Even with this, no one
> came up with divx/xvid player. There is no space for
> a commercial comeback for this technology. Honestly,
> only big ass company like Microsoft or Sony can come
> up with an advanced DVD/console chipset/software to
> push it into masses.
>
> >          Hi all.  As I see it, there are several
> ways to bring this
> > technology back, and that's not going to Genisis
> Microchip, but,
> > instead go to the Nuon developers directly and
> talk to them.
> > Genesis was forced to stop distribution of the
> chip, but, they were
> > only the distributors of it.  See, this technology
> was killed by the
> > movie and gaming industry because they saw it as a
> huge threat.  In
> > fact, there are reports of FOX tampering with Nuon
> enhanced DVDs
> > before they were copied and distributed.  One of
> the reasons that it
> > is believed that this occured is because the chip
> gave the players
> > international capabilities if the user knew of the
> option.  It also
> > made the players fully capable of playing almost
> any recorded CD/DVD
> > format except for data only CDs and DVDs of
> course.
>
>
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Hi,

        It's seems like some people are here to put
down the technology.....   Here's a little tid-bit, I
beleive progressive scan was added, or, can be added
in a simple firmware update, but, I'm not sure which
one, or whether that was Samsung's plan in the next
update for 2003 that never was released.  I just heard
about it being added in such a way, which, I have to
say is the stellar part about this technology.  You
can completely change it, and add more features to it,
or, screw it up for that matter, by simply flashing
the rom chip.  This technology is also in use still
today by Motorolla at least in the MAC Cube, and the
Ncube Media Server.  The whole point is, this
technology is more versatile than most people know,
which also makes it a threat to companies like
Microsoft.  I mean, there's not many console systems
out there where you can still write your own games and
programming for it, or that you can make totally work
the way you want it to.  In fact, there's even
development of a PC to Nuon data cable in the works to
make it even easier to port things over, and the N501,
is actually not that old, and goes under 3 numbers I
know of so far depending on region (N501-US, N504-UK,
N591-JP).  Samnson made one basically cripled unit
(missing ports) known as the N505.  But all players
are basically the same.  Now, back to my point.  The
N5XX players were basically designed to be brought up
to date very simply and easily.  So even if you think
of it as an old genration player, it can be brought up
to new generation, and even next generation in a
matter of minutes.  All it takes is for someone to
write the update into the firmware.  That's also what
makes this technology threatining to the DVD player
industry.  Imagine a DVD player or game system that
you only have to buy once, and for the rest of your
life, and all you had to do to keep it up with the
times was download a little file from the internet for
free, burn it to a CD, and insert the disc in your
player, push play, wait for the "Update Finished"
screen to come up, and eject the disc, and your
done...  at least until the next update.  The Nuon
technology gives us that option and is precisely why
it I think it will be brought back, but slowly.  Now,
I know for a fact that you can't do this with any
current DVD player, or console game system (maybe,
except for the Gamecube, and/or it's Panasonic DVD
playing counterpart if they were to ever put out an
update) because the industry wants you to buy their
next big thing by forcing the previous system to be
obsolete or out of date.  This is also why those big
giants like Microsoft or Sony would never dare come
out with such a system.  The Nuon chip itself is a 128
bit processor very similar to the processor found in
Nintendo's Game Cube.  Hhhhmmmmm, another cube, can we
say "Motorolla?"  Good.  This technology is still well
out there, but quietly.  With that said, I do believe
that there is room for this technology in the industry
again, as long as it's not in danger of being slammed
or snuffed out by these big companies that maybe
scared of the little black chip with a wave symbol on
it.  My whole point is, this technology was not almost
completely snuffed out because people thought that it
wasn't stellar, flashy, or versatile enough, but,
instead, it was snuffed because of quite the opposite.
  So to all you video philes and game philes out there,
you might want to think twice and do your research
before you go slamming a piece of technology simply
because of what YOU think of it.  Nuon is a direct
example of this and is precisely why it should be
brought back into the mainstream consumer market.  So,
Adrian, next time you turn on that old N501 of yours,
remember, even though it doesn't have quite what you
want now, think of all the possibilities that it can
have when this technology does make a comeback.

Thank you.
--- Adrian Oboroc <dhau@...> wrote:
> Hello Michael,
>
> I do like my NUON DVD player (N501). It's a great
> old generation DVD player (no progressive scan) with
> some interesting (but not really useful) features.
> There is nothing stellar about the technology. It's
> interesting in obscure sence. Like Atari Falcon 030
> or PocketStation or something like this. The Aeries
> chipset seems to be good only for streaming data
> processing (audio/video). Even with this, no one
> came up with divx/xvid player. There is no space for
> a commercial comeback for this technology. Honestly,
> only big ass company like Microsoft or Sony can come
> up with an advanced DVD/console chipset/software to
> push it into masses.
>
> >          Hi all.  As I see it, there are several
> ways to bring this
> > technology back, and that's not going to Genisis
> Microchip, but,
> > instead go to the Nuon developers directly and
> talk to them.
> > Genesis was forced to stop distribution of the
> chip, but, they were
> > only the distributors of it.  See, this technology
> was killed by the
> > movie and gaming industry because they saw it as a
> huge threat.  In
> > fact, there are reports of FOX tampering with Nuon
> enhanced DVDs
> > before they were copied and distributed.  One of
> the reasons that it
> > is believed that this occured is because the chip
> gave the players
> > international capabilities if the user knew of the
> option.  It also
> > made the players fully capable of playing almost
> any recorded CD/DVD
> > format except for data only CDs and DVDs of
> course.
>
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Hello Michael,

I do like my NUON DVD player (N501). It's a great old generation DVD player (no
progressive scan) with some interesting (but not really useful) features. There
is nothing stellar about the technology. It's interesting in obscure sence. Like
Atari Falcon 030 or PocketStation or something like this. The Aeries chipset
seems to be good only for streaming data processing (audio/video). Even with
this, no one came up with divx/xvid player. There is no space for a commercial
comeback for this technology. Honestly, only big ass company like Microsoft or
Sony can come up with an advanced DVD/console chipset/software to push it into
masses.

>          Hi all.  As I see it, there are several ways to bring this
> technology back, and that's not going to Genisis Microchip, but,
> instead go to the Nuon developers directly and talk to them.
> Genesis was forced to stop distribution of the chip, but, they were
> only the distributors of it.  See, this technology was killed by the
> movie and gaming industry because they saw it as a huge threat.  In
> fact, there are reports of FOX tampering with Nuon enhanced DVDs
> before they were copied and distributed.  One of the reasons that it
> is believed that this occured is because the chip gave the players
> international capabilities if the user knew of the option.  It also
> made the players fully capable of playing almost any recorded CD/DVD
> format except for data only CDs and DVDs of course.

Well,

          Hi all.  As I see it, there are several ways to bring this
technology back, and that's not going to Genisis Microchip, but,
instead go to the Nuon developers directly and talk to them.
Genesis was forced to stop distribution of the chip, but, they were
only the distributors of it.  See, this technology was killed by the
movie and gaming industry because they saw it as a huge threat.  In
fact, there are reports of FOX tampering with Nuon enhanced DVDs
before they were copied and distributed.  One of the reasons that it
is believed that this occured is because the chip gave the players
international capabilities if the user knew of the option.  It also
made the players fully capable of playing almost any recorded CD/DVD
format except for data only CDs and DVDs of course.  Also, you're
extremely lucky if you can get ahold of the last edition of a
Samsung N501 player, for as this edition has all of the previous
bugs fixed in the firmware.  Including many of the bugs that were
mentioned in a previous reply to this message.  In other words, the
firmware itself can be the answer to speed and/or feature issues for
this platform.  The last editions have 1.03.53.00 firmware revision
number and were made in 2002.  You might want to look into dis-
assembling a firware rom file and see what you can do through that.
As far as the processor itself and an open source system, my
suggestion is to talk directly to the developers of this technology
themselves.  Remember, Genisis Microchip were only the distributors
and do not own the rights to the Nuon chip or technology, however,
the developers from VM labs (who you can probably get ahold of
through nuon-dome) do, and are rather interested in resurrecting
this technology themselves.  They might be helpful I believe if you
let them know your ideas.  Well, I hope this enough info.

Plug


--- In thenuonreactor@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Smith"
<joeheretic@y...> wrote:
> I have long admired the NUON technology, does anyone have an idea
of
> it resurrecting in any form besides its current "dead" form? I am
> currently working on a project for the nuon platform, also when I
> have time I am working on a prototype open source system. I would
> like to incorporate the nuon technology into the system. I need to
> find out where I can get a hold of boards and such that have
> that "type" of technology in it. Maybe I will have to emulate the
> nuon processor using a different one. If anyone has info that
would
> help I most welcome it.

Thanks for all your replies. I guess you could say my ultimate goal
is to aid in the creation of a new source code that is able to
emulate a few different "dead" systems games. Also, it will be able
to be played on more than just one platform, but I would like to see
some sort of set-top that works specifically with the
code...aka...enhanced performance, stability, added features that
may not be attainable on other platforms or systems, including PC.
Think of it, what if there was a system that played nuon games,
emulated many more systems. If nuon has survived at least in some
form, that proves that we would have support. People have kept the
dream alive. If we work together and work hard, we can create
whatever we want, including a "dream" system.

Or just be practical and use off-the-shelf PC components and a
reasonably powerful P4/Athlon CPU.  :)

I'm just starting to experiment with the NUON SDK myself, with no goal
except to learn the architecture, but I don't s'pose anyone has tried
to mess with the N501's firmware image, to add features or 'reskin'
the DVD menus or somesuch.

Cheers!

rabit
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--- In thenuonreactor@yahoogroups.com, riff6809 <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> The Nuon architecture in its current form is not a very good basis
> for a system that is meant to do more than accelerate audio and
video
> playback.  There are numerous shortcomings that keep the Nuon from
> being a stellar performer.  In any case, the rights to the Nuon are
> owned by Genesis Microchip.  They do not have any interest in doing
> anything with the Nuon technology.  It would be near impossible to
> get any large quantity of new chips manufactured.
>
> There are two approaches I would take if I wanted to design my own
> system.
>
> 1) Create an ASIC based on the Nuon architecture, dropping the
large
> number of items that are infrequently used and/or inefficient, and
> also extending the capabilities.  In particular the Aries processor
> stalls on a cache miss until the cache line is completely read in
> from memory.  The entire bilinear DMA addressing scheme is also
> probably not needed at all.  Needless to say, RGB framebuffer
support
> mode is a requirement.  Most of all, the resource units need to be
> beefed up considerably.  The ALU and MUL units should be combined,
> replacing the ALU and MUL units with two MALU units.  Short vector
> instructions should be replaced by instructions that can do full
> 32x32 operations.  Some form of instruction predication should be
> added, even if its as simple as a dedicated CMOV instruction.
Aries
> programs suffer from a large frequency of NOP execution that would
> only get worse as the pipeline length is extended.
>
> 2) Base a system on another widely available VLIW chip with decent
> performance.  The best feature of the Nuon is that it implements a
> Non-unified memory architecture.  Its the large number of parallel
> chips and the VLIW nature that makes it so fast.  These traits
aren't
> limited to the Nuon chip.  Something based off the TMS320 line or
> similar might work.
>
> --- In thenuonreactor@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Smith"
> <joeheretic@y...> wrote:
> > I have long admired the NUON technology, does anyone have an idea
> of
> > it resurrecting in any form besides its current "dead" form? I am
> > currently working on a project for the nuon platform, also when I
> > have time I am working on a prototype open source system. I would
> > like to incorporate the nuon technology into the system. I need
to
> > find out where I can get a hold of boards and such that have
> > that "type" of technology in it. Maybe I will have to emulate the
> > nuon processor using a different one. If anyone has info that
would
> > help I most welcome it.

The Nuon architecture in its current form is not a very good basis
for a system that is meant to do more than accelerate audio and video
playback.  There are numerous shortcomings that keep the Nuon from
being a stellar performer.  In any case, the rights to the Nuon are
owned by Genesis Microchip.  They do not have any interest in doing
anything with the Nuon technology.  It would be near impossible to
get any large quantity of new chips manufactured.

There are two approaches I would take if I wanted to design my own
system.

1) Create an ASIC based on the Nuon architecture, dropping the large
number of items that are infrequently used and/or inefficient, and
also extending the capabilities.  In particular the Aries processor
stalls on a cache miss until the cache line is completely read in
from memory.  The entire bilinear DMA addressing scheme is also
probably not needed at all.  Needless to say, RGB framebuffer support
mode is a requirement.  Most of all, the resource units need to be
beefed up considerably.  The ALU and MUL units should be combined,
replacing the ALU and MUL units with two MALU units.  Short vector
instructions should be replaced by instructions that can do full
32x32 operations.  Some form of instruction predication should be
added, even if its as simple as a dedicated CMOV instruction.  Aries
programs suffer from a large frequency of NOP execution that would
only get worse as the pipeline length is extended.

2) Base a system on another widely available VLIW chip with decent
performance.  The best feature of the Nuon is that it implements a
Non-unified memory architecture.  Its the large number of parallel
chips and the VLIW nature that makes it so fast.  These traits aren't
limited to the Nuon chip.  Something based off the TMS320 line or
similar might work.

--- In thenuonreactor@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Smith"
<joeheretic@y...> wrote:
> I have long admired the NUON technology, does anyone have an idea
of
> it resurrecting in any form besides its current "dead" form? I am
> currently working on a project for the nuon platform, also when I
> have time I am working on a prototype open source system. I would
> like to incorporate the nuon technology into the system. I need to
> find out where I can get a hold of boards and such that have
> that "type" of technology in it. Maybe I will have to emulate the
> nuon processor using a different one. If anyone has info that would
> help I most welcome it.

The only suggestion i have for you is "THE NUON DOME" www.nuon-
dome.com They have alot of people that experiment with the various
machines.Good Luck. In thenuonreactor@yahoogroups.com, "Joseph Smith"
<joeheretic@y...> wrote:
> I have long admired the NUON technology, does anyone have an idea
of
> it resurrecting in any form besides its current "dead" form? I am
> currently working on a project for the nuon platform, also when I
> have time I am working on a prototype open source system. I would
> like to incorporate the nuon technology into the system. I need to
> find out where I can get a hold of boards and such that have
> that "type" of technology in it. Maybe I will have to emulate the
> nuon processor using a different one. If anyone has info that would
> help I most welcome it.

I have long admired the NUON technology, does anyone have an idea of
it resurrecting in any form besides its current "dead" form? I am
currently working on a project for the nuon platform, also when I
have time I am working on a prototype open source system. I would
like to incorporate the nuon technology into the system. I need to
find out where I can get a hold of boards and such that have
that "type" of technology in it. Maybe I will have to emulate the
nuon processor using a different one. If anyone has info that would
help I most welcome it.

Tempest 3000, and freefall 3050, If anybodys looking.

http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewSellersOtherItems&include=0&userid=grapony&sort=3&rows=25&since=-
1&rd=1

Another site worth mention is www.nuondev.com. While there's nothing there that
you probably can't get at the NUON DOME, hey, it's another link. They do have a
forum there as well, though it's aimed more at the SDK and those hoping to
develop a game with it.

Warning: Long Post

Genesis Microchip terminated VM Labs & all of VM Labs employees. Here is what it
said on Nuon-dome about this:

VM Labs Terminated
Posted 7/25/2002 by K3V

I have been informed that VM Labs has been officially terminated, and all
employees have been laid off. An anonymous email I received stated:
"It will be interesting to see what happens to NUON since Genesis yesterday
fired EVERYONE from Vm Labs who was working on the project and killed the whole
division. Try to give anyone a call if you don't believe me. Everyone from
Richard Miller on down."No word on whether or not this will affect the NUON DVD
players currently slated for release from RCA/Thompson or not, or whether NUON
processors will be used in other future DVD players.

Here is more info about the termination of VM Labs:

More Details on the Elimination of VM Labs
Posted 7/26/2002 by K3V

Yesterday, Genesis Microchip released a report of their first quarter financial
results, in which they provided more details on the specifics with VM Labs. The
full press release can be viewed here, but below are the excerpts relevant to VM
Labs:
The company announced today that it has discontinued its development of products
initiated by VM Labs for the DVD player market. Approximately 40 positions have
been eliminated as a result of this decision.

The company acquired audio and MPEG decoding technologies from VM Labs through a
bankruptcy proceeding in March 2002. At that time, it hired a number of former
VM Labs employees to continue development work on certain VM Labs products.

"We continue to view these technologies as an extremely valuable part of our
overall technology portfolio, well-suited for use in emerging video and consumer
display markets. However, we made a strategic decision to discontinue the
development work on the specific products initiated by VM Labs," said Mr.
Donegan.

Pro forma net income differs from loss according to generally accepted
accounting principles. A schedule reconciling these amounts is included in this
news release. Differences include the exclusions of operating costs of VM Labs
operations, severance costs, the amortization of acquired intangible assets and
of deferred stock compensation expense, imputed interest on lease obligations
and related income tax adjustments.

The company expects to incur operating expenses for VM Labs operations of $0.7
to $0.8 million in the second quarter of fiscal 2003, as well as restructuring
costs of approximately $0.6 million to $0.8 million.

Last month it was report on Nuon-Dome that RCA was supposed to bring out 2 NUON
players are DRC300N & DRC480N (DRC480N would have progressive scan). These
players may not come out since since the deals with Samsung & RCA are no more.

Several NUON websites are no more. http://www.nuon.tv & http://www.dev.nuon.tv/
are no more (both of these sites lead to the TV Corporation that says that
nuon.tv is available for $1,000.00/yr *! ). You can still access the NUON
homepage at http://www.nuon-tech.com (doesn't matter anymore since no new
commerical games, NUON enhanced movies or pereferials are coming out anymore).
NUONTALK located at http://www.nuontalk.tv has been dead for the past several
months. But there is a NUON forum that is doing good, the forum is the Nuon-Dome
forum which has moved to
http://www.visualcues.com/forums/forumdisplay.php3?forumid=3 .

About the 4.5 MB barrier on NUON, Mr.X (Mr.X was once an employee of VM Labs
until Genesis terminated VM Labs) said in the post on the Nuon-dome forum about
the 4.5 MB barrier. Here is an excerpt:
The solution to remove the 4.5MB limit on N501 is a NUON.CD that has a new BIOS
embedded. This BIOS would enable applications to access data on the CD. A test
version of this solution did exist, however it will be hard to get to it without
Genesis. Genesis has the source code (and rights) to the firmware.

I think the N505/N504 euro player already have CD-capable BIOS...

Mr.X also explained about who Paradise IV was. Here is an excerpt from his post
on the Nuon-dome forum:
Paradise IV pretty much consisted of (former) board members of Genesis! These
guys made their money during the DIP financing period and walked away with a
couple of millions. Welcome to the twisted world of cooperate America ...

If you don't believe me then goto
http://www.visualcues.com/forums/forumdisplay.php3?forumid=3 , click on the
NUONtalk link, then click on the post that says  VM Labs Terminated  ( (Mr.X's
post about the 4.5 MB barrier is on page 2 of this post & his post about
Paradise IV is on page 3)

BTW: Rob Cheng is also on the Nuon-dome forum. Rob posted in the post titled VM
Labs Terminated on the Nuon-dome forum (Rob posted on page 3 & page 4 of the
post). If you don't know who Rob Cheng is, Rob Cheng worked for VM Labs. Rob
Cheng posted on NUONTALK about the NUON SDK before the SDK became reality.

Greeting from Eugene Esterly III (EugeneE on the Nuon-dome forum. I was also
know as GeneE3rd on NUONTALK)

--- In thenuonreactor@y..., "fmhcom" <fmh@n...> wrote:
> www.nuontalk.tv message board has been unavailable for a couple of
> weeks now.  Is there any word what happened to the site?

Nope. There has not been any word on why www.nuontalk.tv is down. IMO, I  
believe that www.nuontalk.tv is offically dead. I believe that Genesis Microchip
took down NUONTALK.

Look at it this way. There are still NUON players being made. In fact, a new
NUON player will be coming out. This new NUON players is from RCA & it is called
DRC300N. All new NUON players including the DRC300N have no game ports.

There is a NUON forum located at  http://www.nuon-dome.com/cgi-bin/yabb/yabb.cgi

www.nuontalk.tv message board has been unavailable for a couple of
weeks now.  Is there any word what happened to the site?

--- In thenuonreactor@y..., sal_manfredonia <no_reply@y...> wrote:

> It does seem that way, sadly. I don't believe that Genesis
Microchip
> has any intention of promoting or growing the NUON platform. I
would
> bet the purpose of the whole deal was to acquire VM Labs' various
> patents related to DVD and video, and maybe hire any talented
> hardware engineers that were still with the company.
>

I agree with you there. I also believe that Genesis has no intentions
of promoting NUON or growing the NUON platform. If Genesis had any
intentions of growing the NUON platform then Genesis would be funding
the NUON games & funding the NUON peripherals. IMO, Genesis brought
the NUON technology not to help the NUON technology grow but to use
NUON technology in their products. IMO, the nuon.tv site was severly
stripped down because Genesis has no intentions of bringing out the
NUON games & NUON peripherals.

> I know that it is not right to respond to your own post but I just
wanted add something else. The links section of nuon.tv located at
http://www.nuon.tv/links.html no longer has links to NUON fan sites.
So it looks like the end of NUON maybe upon us.

It does seem that way, sadly. I don't believe that Genesis Microchip
has any intention of promoting or growing the NUON platform. I would
bet the purpose of the whole deal was to acquire VM Labs' various
patents related to DVD and video, and maybe hire any talented
hardware engineers that were still with the company.

If anyone's interested, I've still got several links to NUON fan
sites over on this page:

http://www.gti.net/hysteria/nuonline/links.html

Of the fan sites, NUON-Dome seems to be the only one that is still
updated on a regular basis. Most of the other sites listed there
haven't been touched in months. Admittedly, even my own NUONline site
hasn't been updated for almost three months. Perhaps I'll do one
final update someday, to serve as closure to the whole story of the
rise and fall of VM Labs.

Hopefully, this group here on Yahoo! will continue to exist, just in
case NUONtalk.tv is shut down or the domain becomes abandoned by
Genesis Microchip.

--- In thenuonreactor@y..., gene_ewe3rd <no_reply@y...> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> It looks like NUON may be dying. The nuon.tv site has removed all of the games
which were supposed to be coming to NUON & the peripherals section at nuon.tv
has been cut down severely. The Peripheral section no longer lists being able to
connect your NUON to the Internet.
> I heard about the game section being cut down from a post by a NUONTALK member
called audboy at http://www.nuontalk.tv/ubb/Forum11/HTML/000232.html . I went to
nuon.tv to check it out & for sure the game section was cut down & when I
checked the peripheral section, I saw it was severely cut down.
>
>
> BTW: I am on the NUONTALK messageboard. My name on the NUONTALK messageboard
is GeneE3rd

I know that it is not right to respond to your own post but I just wanted add
something else. The links section of nuon.tv located at
http://www.nuon.tv/links.html no longer has links to NUON fan sites. So it looks
like the end of NUON maybe upon us.