--- In mac-homm@yahoogroups.com, Robert Bannister <robban@i...> wrote:
> Prior to buying a new Mac, I've been asking my Apple store a lot of
> questions. They say the newer Macs do have Classic. So, I asked, can I
> use my old disks to install OS 9.2.2? No, they said. Can I have it
on my
> external drive? You can put what you like on your external drive, but
> the G5 will not boot from it.
>
> So, whatever G5s have, it's definitely not the same as the older OS 9.
> Maybe it's a cut-down version, but the shop told me that some apps and
> games will definitely not run, and nor will my scanner.
>
> My current addiction is The Sims - the old version with the millions of
> downloads available - and I have one disk that is OS 9. Aspyr, who
> produce the game, say that although I might be able to install by
> dragging from my external drive, there is still a chance it won't
run on
> a G5 and off to swop the disk for $US5, which I reckon is pretty good.
> As you know, 3d0 no longer exists and even when it did, was totally
> unfriendly to Mac - I remember writing to them (I think about the
> proposed HOMM5) and was told they considered Mac totally unimportant
and
> that, living in Australia, I should consider myself lucky that I had a
> copy of the game at

I guess we know now they no longer exist

So far I have not found a local Apple store  :(

Nothing will run under classic without O9S being installed. "Classic"
is just OS running running in a sort of virtual machine.


On Apr 11, 2005, at 4:51 PM, Robert Bannister wrote:

> David Misner wrote:
>
>
>   it seems there
>  are a number of programs that will not run under Classic without OS 9
>  being installed, and you can't have OS 9 on new Macs. Actually, they
>  probably would run, but of course you can't install the program in the
>  first place. Re. another game, Aspyr has told me it might be possible
> to
>  drag games I already have installed from my external hard drive.

-- Rob Bannister

Nothing will run under classic without O9S being installed. "Classic"
is just OS running running in a sort of virtual machine.


On Apr 11, 2005, at 4:51 PM, Robert Bannister wrote:

> David Misner wrote:
>
>
>   it seems there
>  are a number of programs that will not run under Classic without OS 9
>  being installed, and you can't have OS 9 on new Macs. Actually, they
>  probably would run, but of course you can't install the program in the
>  first place. Re. another game, Aspyr has told me it might be possible
> to
>  drag games I already have installed from my external hard drive.

http://www.shoppingmallcreator.com/template/item_full.asp?
cp=1&itemID=GA1024

using froogle.com and searching for: "heroes of might and magic" mac
including the quotes I found lots of places that have it.

I'd sell you mine, but I got rid of it a long time ago.

In fact, does anyone else want to take ownership of this group? It's
not much work.

-Allan



On Apr 11, 2005, at 12:07 AM, David Misner wrote:

> > > Where do I get Heroes 2 3 or 4.  I can't find them
>  > for the Mac
>  > >
>  > >
>  > Have you tried asking your local Apple store? Mine
>  > still has one copy of
>  > Heroes 4. Have you tried Amazon or EBay?
>
>
>  How do I find if I have a local Apple Store?  Is there
>  a directory
>  of Apple Stores somewhere???
>
>  I tried eBay but I could not find anything.  I did
>  another search right after I osted that and I found 2
>  copies of Heroes of Might and Magic IV for auction and
>  then I found some others for auction when I changed my
>  search from Heroes Might Magic Macintosh to Heroes
>  Might Magic Mac.  That made a big difference.
>
>  I just upgraded to OS X Panther and now I can't play
>  Heroes of Might and Magic.  I wonder if Heroes of
>  Might and Magic 3 is OS X friendly
>
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David Misner wrote:

> > > Where do I get Heroes 2 3 or 4.  I can't find them
> > for the Mac
> > >
> > >
> > Have you tried asking your local Apple store? Mine
> > still has one copy of
> > Heroes 4. Have you tried Amazon or EBay?
>
>
> How do I find if I have a local Apple Store?  Is there
> a directory
> of Apple Stores somewhere???
>
> I tried eBay but I could not find anything.  I did
> another search right after I osted that and I found 2
> copies of Heroes of Might and Magic IV for auction and
> then I found some others for auction when I changed my
> search from Heroes Might Magic Macintosh to Heroes
> Might Magic Mac.  That made a big difference.
>
> I just upgraded to OS X Panther and now I can't play
> Heroes of Might and Magic.  I wonder if Heroes of
> Might and Magic 3 is OS X friendly
>
Have you tried the Yellow Pages of your phone directory? I can see you
might have problems with older versions of HOMM. I have an old G4, which
means I still have OS 9 installed. HOMM3 runs fine for me under Classic,
but, now I am thinking about a G5, and am investigating, it seems there
are a number of programs that will not run under Classic without OS 9
being installed, and you can't have OS 9 on new Macs. Actually, they
probably would run, but of course you can't install the program in the
first place. Re. another game, Aspyr has told me it might be possible to
drag games I already have installed from my external hard drive.

--
Rob Bannister

On Apr 11, 2005, at 2:07 AM, David Misner wrote:

> I just upgraded to OS X Panther and now I can't play
> Heroes of Might and Magic.  I wonder if Heroes of
> Might and Magic 3 is OS X friendly


Heroes III and Heroes III Complete do not run natively in OS X, but
they run perfectly through Classic. Many people have been wishing for
an OS X native version of Heroes III, but, from the story I heard, that
is not likely to happen.

Rocco J Carello

> > Where do I get Heroes 2 3 or 4.  I can't find them
> for the Mac
> >
> >
> Have you tried asking your local Apple store? Mine
> still has one copy of
> Heroes 4. Have you tried Amazon or EBay?


How do I find if I have a local Apple Store?  Is there
a directory
of Apple Stores somewhere???

I tried eBay but I could not find anything.  I did
another search right after I osted that and I found 2
copies of Heroes of Might and Magic IV for auction and
then I found some others for auction when I changed my
search from Heroes Might Magic Macintosh to Heroes
Might Magic Mac.  That made a big difference.

I just upgraded to OS X Panther and now I can't play
Heroes of Might and Magic.  I wonder if Heroes of
Might and Magic 3 is OS X friendly



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davidgmisner wrote:

>
> Where do I get Heroes 2 3 or 4.  I can't find them for the Mac
>
>
Have you tried asking your local Apple store? Mine still has one copy of
Heroes 4. Have you tried Amazon or EBay?

--
Rob Bannister

Where do I get Heroes 2 3 or 4.  I can't find them for the Mac

>How do you create scenerios??
>

You don't create 'scenarios' as such in HOMM3, at least not on the Mac.
You can create 'random maps' though, that you can specify quite a few
parameters for.  In the 'New Game' screen, just click 'random' and then
look at all the options available.

I tend to create mine with X-large, no caverns, 7 opponents, no teams, no
water.  Occasionally I will create an 'islands' map, though I prefer the
ground-based ones.

I like to play a new map at 'easy' mode, which I always win unless the map
generator messes up and creates an impossible map (sometimes a land-locked
city with no local resources and no way out without Fly or Dimension
Portal).  I then play a second time at 'Hard' and a third time at 'Expert'.
Every once in a while the maps looks winnable at 'Impossible' and I will
try that too, though I have only won on maybe half a dozen maps at that
level.
--


- Burt Johnson
   MindStorm, Inc.
   burt@...
   http://www.mindstorm-inc.com

--- Burt Johnson <burt@...> wrote:
> I still play HOMM 3. I didn't like 4.
>
> I went through all the scenarios twice.  Now when I
> play, I use the
> auto-generator to create a large, single layered map
> (I don't really like
> the caverns below -- they take too long for my
> tastes).  I can win about
> 99% of the time in 'normal' mode, and about 70% at
> 'expert' mode.  I don't
> use any of the cheat codes though, and forgot them
> years ago.


How do you create scenerios??





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Really, I like both, but HOMM4 lacks the auto-generator, so I downloaded
lots of maps and found the main Homm playing community likes their games
pitched a level I find too hard. I like to have FUN, not play war games,
so 3 is more to my taste, but I do like the magic system in 4.

Burt Johnson wrote:

> I still play HOMM 3. I didn't like 4.
>
> I went through all the scenarios twice.  Now when I play, I use the
> auto-generator to create a large, single layered map (I don't really like
> the caverns below -- they take too long for my tastes).  I can win about
> 99% of the time in 'normal' mode, and about 70% at 'expert' mode.  I don't
> use any of the cheat codes though, and forgot them years ago.
>
> Any specific questions, other than for cheat codes?
>
> >I am the owner of a new Mac G4 and I broke out my old Heroes of Might and
> >Magic
> >game and I was hoping to find others that played too



--
Rob Bannister

I still play HOMM 3. I didn't like 4.

I went through all the scenarios twice.  Now when I play, I use the
auto-generator to create a large, single layered map (I don't really like
the caverns below -- they take too long for my tastes).  I can win about
99% of the time in 'normal' mode, and about 70% at 'expert' mode.  I don't
use any of the cheat codes though, and forgot them years ago.

Any specific questions, other than for cheat codes?

>I am the owner of a new Mac G4 and I broke out my old Heroes of Might and
>Magic
>game and I was hoping to find others that played too
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

--


- Burt Johnson
   MindStorm, Inc.
   burt@...
   http://www.mindstorm-inc.com

davidgmisner wrote:

>
> I am the owner of a new Mac G4 and I broke out my old Heroes of Might
> and Magic
> game and I was hoping to find others that played too
>
Sorry, I admit I did dust of HOMM3 a couple of weeks back, but I am far
too busy with The Sims for which I have gigabytes of downloaded extras.

--
Rob Bannister

I am the owner of a new Mac G4 and I broke out my old Heroes of Might and Magic
game and I was hoping to find others that played too

hi,
well i am not really a new player of HoMM...
i used to play this game a lot on PC  and than i switch to MA and
now i a a new player on MAc since i just got again HoMM III which
is my fav ....

anyway i hope to mwe can meet and host some nice games
with you guys.....

Prehaps elemating the other player was not the goal of the level. Try using a
cheat code to
see the whole map.

--- In mac-homm@yahoogroups.com, "allan_marcus" <yahoo@p...> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I was playing the Mark of the Tiger scenario, and I killed all the trolls (the
orange
> player), but the computer never said I had eliminated the orange player! In
fact, I
> killed everything on the screen, captures all the towns the resources and
everything.
> Any ideas? Anyone seen this happen?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Allan

Hello,

I was playing the Mark of the Tiger scenario, and I killed all the trolls (the
orange
player), but the computer never said I had eliminated the orange player! In
fact, I
killed everything on the screen, captures all the towns the resources and
everything.
Any ideas? Anyone seen this happen?

Thanks,

Allan

--- In mac-homm@yahoogroups.com, Rocco J Carello
<rcarello@n...> wrote:
> I've hosted the patch on my .mac account. Let me see if I can
remember
> where it is...
> http://homepage.mac.com/rogue27/patch/
>
> try that.
>
> -rogue
>
Rogue, you are da man. Thanks!

I've hosted the patch on my .mac account. Let me see if I can remember
where it is...
http://homepage.mac.com/rogue27/patch/

try that.

-rogue



On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 08:42 pm, damiensunshine wrote:

> hi, does anyone know where this patch is hosted? The ftp for
> 3DO doesn't work, and the gamespy website requires a
> subscription to download it. that's BS.
> Thanks.
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hi, does anyone know where this patch is hosted? The ftp for
3DO doesn't work, and the gamespy website requires a
subscription to download it. that's BS.
Thanks.

i searched google groups for tips after sending my previous message and
found this:

"4) Changes in Version 2.1 - Map/Campaign Updates
...
Faeries!: Removed tree obstacle that blocked portion of the map."

so it seems my intuition (that the trees blocking the bottom road weren't
supposed to be there) was correct. is there an update available somewhere
to fix this?


--

charles lechasseur - danov@...
http://pages.infinit.net/danov/marathon/

   "The butts of evil are awaiting my bootprints!"
      - Minsc

hi all,

i've just reinstalled HoMM III Complete and started playing the map named
"Faeries!". unfortunately, i've hit a snag. after exploring 3 enclosed land
areas and 2 tunnels, it seems i don't have anywhere else to go. the enemy
can be seen moving in the center of the map but i can't see how to get
there without a boat or teleport... and i have neither (and no way to get a
boat).

at the bottom of the map, one of the roads is blocked by trees. was that a
mistake on the part of the map designer? am i screwed, never to be able to
complete this map?


--

charles lechasseur - danov@...
http://pages.infinit.net/danov/marathon/

   "The butts of evil are awaiting my bootprints!"
      - Minsc

here's the readme file fromt he jsut release 2.3 patch.  I don't have IV ye=
t, so
someone try this and let us know if IV is not worth buying :-)

The patch is at:

http://www.3do.com/support/mac_support.shtml?PAGE=
mac%2Fheroes%2Fh4mac_patch.html

-- Rob Bannister

here's the readme file fromt he jsut release 2.3 patch.  I don't have IV ye=
t, so
someone try this and let us know if IV is not worth buying :-)

The patch is at:

http://www.3do.com/support/mac_support.shtml?PAGE=
mac%2Fheroes%2Fh4mac_patch.html


The 3DO Company
Heroes of Might and Magic™ IV
February 2003
Version 2.3

Thank you for updating the Heroes of Might and Magic IV game.  We have
made corrections to improve the quality of the Heroes of Might and Magic IV=

game.

This update is intended for use with English (United States) versions of th=
e
Macintosh OS.  Use of the update on other language versions of the
Macintosh OS may result in errors that can render the game unplayable on
your system.

Note: The information within this document is accurate as of the date of th=
e
release of this product.

------------------------- TABLE OF CONTENTS--------------------------------=


1.   Installing the patch
2.   Update Version 2.3 Information
3.   Version History
4.   Purchasing 3DO Software
5.   Contacting Customer Support
---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-
1.   Installing the patch

The Update file is compressed. You will need a compression utility
such as Stuffit Expander(tm) to unarchive the files.
You can get a trial version of Stuffit Expander by going to:
<<<http://www.stuffit.com/expander/macindex.html>>>

Uncompress the Update to extract the updated Heroes IV application,
updated
Campaign Editor application, and Read Me v2.3.txt files to
the Finder or the desktop.

Open your <Heroes IV> folder and create a new folder inside of it
called <backup>

Move your original <Heroes4> application file into the <backup>
folder you created in the step above.
Move your original <Campaign Editor> application file into the <backup>
folder you created in the step above.

Move the updated <Heroes4> application, <Campaign Editor> application
and <Read Me v2.3.txt> files into your <Heroes of Might and Magic IV> folde=
r

Double click the <Heroes4> application file to run the updated
version of the game

*** Please note, if you have had problems installing the game,
after running the update Heroes4 application, you may be prompted for disc =
2
in order to complete the copying of the <heroes4.h4rfile (approx 580
megabytes) ***
---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-
2.  Update Version 2.3 Information
Game:
- AI now properly judges danger of opponents and monster stacks on map
Editor:
- Map scripts now save properly in the editor
- Naming scripts no longer causes crashes
- Importing maps into multi-scenario campaign now accepts any files
- Hero artifact backpack no longer rearranges slots
- Display Message no longer crashes
- Take/Give script command no longer crashes
- Switching the script command from Give Artifacts to anything else no long=
er
crashes
  -Combat events now retain the chosen creatures
Various items - popups, text fields, etc - now  save values rather than def=
ault
---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-
3.  Version History
Version 2.2.2
- AI bug fix (performance).
- Campaign Editor bug fix (error message crash)
Version 2.2.1
- High resolution battlefield crash fixed.
- Campaign win crash fixed.
- 'high_score.dat' now correctly located in the 'Data' folder.
Version 2.2.0
- Initial release
---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-
4.  Purchasing 3DO Software
Purchasing 3DO Software: You can order other 3DO software directly
from 3DO through the 3DO Direct Online Store page at
<<<http://store.3do.com>>>, or you can call the 3DO Direct line at
800-336-3506 (if calling from Canada, please dial 650-385-3187) Monday
through Friday 9AM-12 Noon and 2PM to 5PM Pacific Time.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-
5.  Contacting Customer Support
For technical problems or questions:
3DO Customer Support Website:  http://www.3do.com/support
Automated Phone/Fax:Call (650) 385-3193, or fax us at (650) 385-3181
Mailing address:
The 3DO Company
ATTN: Customer Support 200 Cardinal Way Redwood City, CA 94063
---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-
Copyright 2003 The 3DO Company. All Rights Reserved. 3DO, Heroes,
Heroes of Might and Magic, Might and Magic, New World Computing, and
their
respective logos, are trademarks or registered trademarks of The 3DO
Company in the U.S. and other countries.  All other trademarks belong to
their respective owners.  New World Computing is a division of The 3DO
Company.

Good news on the playability front, but it seems the networkability still doesn't work.

>From a thread on Inside Mac Games:

http://www.insidemacgames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7469

Well, time to eat humble pie :-)
 
3DO has put together a comparison test which was able to help us locate a bug which did exist... and which DID used to be a PC bug.  During development, we saw several patches to the PC version, which we had to apply to our own development tree.  The patch from version 1.3 to 2.0 was quite large, and during application of the patch, a single line in the AI code was miss-applied, which involved the AI determining how strong and dangerous enemies were.  With the information 3DO put together to provide to us, I was able to track the bug down.
 
I've made a patch and it has been sent to 3DO for testing.  It is in their hands now, for QA.  Also, I've submitted the fix for the editor Display Message crash bug.

-- Rob Bannister

Has that patch come out yet? I've been waiting quite a while for it now.

Rocco



To my knowledge, it has not.  I imagine calls and e-mails to tech
support might help, but I don't know.

--
Thanks,

Allan Marcus

Has that patch come out yet? I've been waiting quite a while for it now.

Rocco



On Sunday, February 9, 2003, at 03:47  AM, allan_marcus
<allan@...> wrote:

> Good news on the playability front, but it seems the networkability
> still doesn't work.
>
>> From a thread on Inside Mac Games:
>
> http://www.insidemacgames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7469
>
> Well, time to eat humble pie :-)
>
>  3DO has put together a comparison test which was able to help us
> locate a bug which did exist... and which DID used to be a PC bug.
> During development, we saw several patches to the PC version, which we
> had to apply to our own development tree.  The patch from version 1.3
> to 2.0 was quite large, and during application of the patch, a single
> line in the AI code was miss-applied, which involved the AI
> determining how strong and dangerous enemies were.  With the
> information 3DO put together to provide to us, I was able to track the
> bug down.
>
>  I've made a patch and it has been sent to 3DO for testing.  It is in
> their hands now, for QA.  Also, I've submitted the fix for the editor
> Display Message crash bug.
>
>  - Chris Jacobson
>
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Good news on the playability front, but it seems the networkability still
doesn't work.

From a thread on Inside Mac Games:

http://www.insidemacgames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7469

Well, time to eat humble pie :-)

  3DO has put together a comparison test which was able to help us locate a bug
which did exist... and which DID used to be a PC bug.  During development, we
saw several patches to the PC version, which we had to apply to our own
development tree.  The patch from version 1.3 to 2.0 was quite large, and during
application of the patch, a single line in the AI code was miss-applied, which
involved the AI determining how strong and dangerous enemies were.  With the
information 3DO put together to provide to us, I was able to track the bug down.

  I've made a patch and it has been sent to 3DO for testing.  It is in their
hands now, for QA.  Also, I've submitted the fix for the editor Display Message
crash bug.

  - Chris Jacobson

The thread on HOMM IV is good.  Main points :

- the game is copy protected in that CD has to be drive to play (or once a day,
or something).
- combat is slow and that music playback causes slow downs. Overall
slowness causes games to be 1/3 to 1/2 longer than HOMM III games.
- AI is dumber than a door nail - to the point that single player games aren't
worth the time to play.

-General thought is that a patch will come to fix the slowness and crashing,
but will not fix the AI (Windoz version suffers from the same dumb AI).  As a
stand alone game, probably not worth the money.  As a player v player game,
worth the money now if you have to, and most probably when the bug fix
patch comes out.

IMHO, this is all too bad.  Personally, I won't be getting this game until the
patch is out and speed issues are resolved.  Even then, unless single player
games are worth the time, I'll wait until HOMM V.  I just hope there will be a
Mac port of V since sales of IV are bound to be very low.

-Allan


Oh, some good news:


"I would like to state that your posts are not going ignored, and that we at
Contraband Entertainment are looking into the issues. I cannot say much at
this time, however some of the issues that have been discovered since
release have been resolved, and others are being investigated. We want to
make sure any patch we release resolves as much as possible rather than
inundating you with micro-patches and awkward upgrade paths.

We aren't shipping a product and dropping support for it; Contraband always
supports the products it can. However, not all issues come up during testing,
because thousands of computers can have far more quirks and bring out the
odd issues that a couple dozen testing systems can't. Please be patient, and
contact 3DO's customer service with your issues, rather than emailing us at
Contraband directly. 3DO has a large support staff able to collect and collate
all the reports for easier digesting by us. "

- Chris Jacobson [this is the guy that did the Mac port]