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Nintendo's 4th Reich   Message List  
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RE: [gbadev] Re: Nintendo's 4th Reich

You should have the "right" to create a game without jumping through any
damn hoops for Nintendo? Yeah, right. And I should have the right to play
football for Liverpool :) Why should personal reasons, such as hating a
company, stand in the way of making a game that works on their hardware. If
it's the best format for a game then it should be done on that platform.
Yes, true that it's harder for small companies to do well because of the
restrictions Nintendo have, but where is this ANY different from any other
line of business? It isn't. Large comapnies ALWAYS tend to have the most
miserable employees, simply because they can't give evreyone the same level
of attention, and large copanies always give the small ones hassle. Sure
there are some good large companies out there.

The reason this industry isn't as creative and exciting as it used to be is
because it's a bigger more mature market, with more astute buyers at the end
of it all, so the risk factor has gone up for all developers and publishers.
If you have an idea that's good enough for the market, no matter what it is,
some publisher out there will take it on, risk or not, and if you present a
nearly finished game, the risk is a lot lower for a publisher, and the
chances of getting it published are higher. If you present a finished game
and no-one wants to publish, face it, the game isn't good enough. Plain and
simple.

The thing though, it's not just Nintendo. You have to fill in forms for
both Sony and Microsoft to become approved developers, even if a publisher
is prepared to buy the development kits for a developer. The developer
still has to be approved. Just in the case of Sony it's a lot easier
because they were at least a lot less discerning about who they let on
board. Look at all the absolute rubbish that appeared on PS1. OK, there
were some GREAT games, not disputing that, but a lot of crap also. Now look
at N64 as another example. When top 10 games lists are compiled, I bet
there's at least 3 N64 games in there. Another thing is they wouldn't have
the best selling piece of game hardware in the world if they didn't know
what they were doing would they.

Quite a number of the Nintendo censorship issues as well are to cut down on
controversial issues. I remember back on both the Megadrive and SNES the
Hell levels had to be removed from Worms, as did the crosses when the worms
died. These were turned into tombstones. This was simply because Nintendo
and Sega would not allow anything with religious overtones into any of their
games. Sure this got toned down later, but it just saves Mrs. X phoning up
and complaining, and maintains their image as really being a family company.

If you don't want to develop for Nintendo platforms, why bitch about them?
Just go and work on WonderSwan or something. The bottom line is Nintendo do
what they do, and are successful. Why try and fix it if it isn't broken? I
for one think the quality over quantity "ruling" makes a stronger platform
in the end.

FGL




Thu Nov 1, 2001 4:15 pm

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I should have the "right" to create a game without jumping through any damn hoops for Nintendo. If I know the profit from my work is getting leeched by a...
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Nov 1, 2001
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You should have the "right" to create a game without jumping through any damn hoops for Nintendo? Yeah, right. And I should have the right to play football...
Francis Lillie
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Nov 1, 2001
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Well, here in the United States, they claim to have a "Seperation Between Church and State" As a Southern Baptist I sometimes find this troublesome. Anyway,...
The Blue Hippo
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Oct 31, 2001
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... this is exactly the best way to go about it. rather that complain that the big N is mean and blah blah blah, put your nose to the grindstone and make a...
Aaron M Pendley
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Nov 1, 2001
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If I wanted to work for a GBA dev team right now I would. I can write Jetpack GBA myself so why should I have to join a big company and share the profits,...
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Nov 1, 2001
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Thats almost exactly how i feel. LOL ... From: The Blue Hippo To: gbadev@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 12:51 AM Subject: Re: [gbadev] Re:...
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Nov 1, 2001
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Virtually all console producers follow this route ( I know of none that dont ), it allows a level of quality control completely unavailable on the pc, one of...
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Nov 1, 2001
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... are ... LOL - did you guys also hide them all when N or Sony did a tour of the offices?? A couple of lurkers on the list will remember doing this!! Dave...
Dave Mariner
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Nov 1, 2001
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I believe that the sole reason is money. Although the software released for the GBA is fairly bug free, the quality of the majority of games released to date...
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Nov 1, 2001
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The quality control is for practical reasons. You can't patch a cartrige. Blocking small developers has nothing to do with this. I agree that N having the...
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Nov 1, 2001
3:39 pm

... Jetpack ? the old speccy game from Rare/Ultimate ? ... Because they spent millions developing the console and advertising it, and they don't want shit...
Jay
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Nov 1, 2001
1:18 pm

... Hash: SHA1 ... but he wouldnt be making profit off of the console. Just the game. So that argument makes no sense. And just because nintendo choose to sell...
Tom Badran
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Nov 1, 2001
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... It makes perfect sense, if nin hadn't spent a great deal of time and effort in making the console in the 1st place, what would people play his game on ? ...
Jay
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Nov 2, 2001
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Here's my quick take on it. The reason I'm writing this is because it seems fairly disturbing to me that a lot of people on this list feel that Nintendo has...
Dennis Munsie
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Nov 2, 2001
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... Hash: SHA1 ... Excluding patent issues of course. ... The only way nintendo can impose restricitions is if you sign something to that effect (i.e when you...
Tom Badran
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Nov 2, 2001
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... Indeed. But that case hasn't happened against Nintendo... yet ! ... But *isn't* this the crux of the matter, you need this logo to boot the cart, and thus...
Jay
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Nov 2, 2001
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... Agreed. ... Not if the design of the razor attachment it proprierty and copyright... then only they can make the razors to fit the handle ! ... Agreed. ......
Jay
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Nov 2, 2001
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Calm down man. It's a big bad world out there - deal with it. Nintendo create a market and (attempt) to control it. You either play by their rules or don't...
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I am dealing with it by exposing it and discussing it. Opinions can spread and have a huge impact even if we are never aware of it. You would have everyone...
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Nov 1, 2001
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<RANT> Jeez - enough already!!! Get that chip off your shoulder. With an attitude like this it's no wonder that Nintendo turned you down as a registered ...
Dave Mariner
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Nov 1, 2001
4:59 pm

Thanks for saying what a lot of the other guys think Dave! Deurk. [moderator note: i agree, take it off list. i'll no longer approve any messages on this...
Alexandre Nizoux
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Nov 1, 2001
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And all I'd say to that is, know your rights, and know the political climate. Right now, consumer rights are not up to snuff, and neither are developer...
Steve Latta
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Nov 2, 2001
9:08 pm

... Minor point, but the Codies case never actually made it to trial. At the 11th hour Codemasters were given permission to mfr the carts. This was done ...
Dave Mariner
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Nov 2, 2001
11:22 pm

Why wimp out and develop for the PC and give other corporations money (unless your developing for FreeBSD) hit them where it hurts, the wallet, develop good...
Mike Wynn (l8night)
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Nov 2, 2001
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<My uninformed opinion> What if Hustler wanted to make a game for the GBA and include pornographic content? What if Camel wanted to produce a game about Camel...
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