JW> I AM writing the "mother of all linker scripts," and I believe that all
JW> this linker script nonsense is silly, its like asking people to write
JW> their own assemblers and compilers. I think that 99 percent of what
JW> people want to do can be moved to a much higher level without much or any
JW> lose of efficiency or control. So 99 percent of people should never have
JW> to touch their linker scripts.
if you cant write a _simple_ thing like a linker script.... ehrm....
you better dont call yourself a coder. really.
JW> I might be wrong, but if I'm right everyone can stop complaining "my
JW> variables don't change" and "C++ doesn't work!" and "how do you copy
JW> functions into internal wram" and all that and just worry about writing
JW> game code.
how can people write other than crap games if they dont even know how
to setup their tools properly? strange world.
JW> On another note, When a person complains about putting const on stuff that
JW> IS const, I can't help but get the impression that they care more about
JW> how their code looks than how it works.
... Did I really say anything to warrant this kind of response? I only critiqued your script, I felt that it would end up being more trouble than its worth, a...
Jason Wilkins
fenix@...
Aug 2, 2001 6:25 am
Hello Jason, JW> I AM writing the "mother of all linker scripts," and I believe that all JW> this linker script nonsense is silly, its like asking people to...
groepaz
groepaz@...
Aug 2, 2001 10:28 am
... I think that linker scripts are only simple if you are already bringing a lot of knowledge about how tool chains work to the table. On top of that, it...
Jason Wilkins
fenix@...
Aug 2, 2001 3:06 pm
Hello Jason, Thursday, August 02, 2001, 4:21:59 PM, you wrote: ... JW> I think that linker scripts are only simple if you are already bringing a JW> lot of...
groepaz
groepaz@...
Aug 2, 2001 6:14 pm
greopaz, we agree almost 100 percent except on your notion about being a true "coder" To use your phrase, thats nonsense. My whole point was: Good programmers...
Jason Wilkins
fenix@...
Aug 2, 2001 8:57 pm
Hello Jason, JW> My whole point was: Good programmers should be smart enough to write JW> linker scripts, but they shouldn't have to. my impression is, even...
groepaz
groepaz@...
Aug 2, 2001 9:45 pm
... As amusing of a pseudo-flame war as this has become =) I'd like to point out that half the problem with creating a linker script is that the documentation...
Dan Potter
bard@...
Aug 2, 2001 11:08 pm
Hello Dan, Friday, August 03, 2001, 12:52:07 AM, you wrote: ... DP> As amusing of a pseudo-flame war as this has become =) I'd like to point DP> out that half...
groepaz
groepaz@...
Aug 3, 2001 1:15 pm
... maybe ... Wow, it looked to me as if he was just being a goof. I'm amazed on how serious your taking that....
mike@...
Aug 3, 2001 1:25 pm
... Serious? Not really. I do enjoy the way he writes as long as he is not out of line. But there could be more heat and less light if you know what I mean....
Jason Wilkins
fenix@...
Aug 5, 2001 4:01 pm
... Half of what makes a good programmer is knowing when NOT to write something on their own. gcc -o wheel wheel.c...
Jason Wilkins
fenix@...
Aug 2, 2001 8:59 pm
Hello Jason, ... JW> Half of what makes a good programmer is knowing when NOT to write JW> something on their own. JW> gcc -o wheel wheel.c thats not the...
groepaz
groepaz@...
Aug 2, 2001 9:13 pm
... This statement is (of course) utter rubbish. ... Indeed, I've never used GCC before, but it all seems fairly straight forward once you know what's kicking...
Jay
Jay@...
Aug 2, 2001 9:11 pm
Having said that it looks like the assembler is a bit bobbins :( I feel an assembler pre-processor comming on :) Regards Jay...
Jay
Jay@...
Aug 5, 2001 3:55 pm
Hello Jay, Friday, August 03, 2001, 7:27:53 PM, you wrote: J> Having said that it looks like the assembler is a bit bobbins :( J> I feel an assembler...
groepaz
groepaz@...
Aug 5, 2001 4:47 pm
... I worked for an archemedes software conversion house years ago and have lots of source in armcode, Speedball2, Cannon Fodder, quite a few others. The...
Jay
Jay@...
Aug 5, 2001 9:16 pm
Hello Jay, J> I worked for an archemedes software conversion house years ago J> and have lots of source in armcode, Speedball2, Cannon Fodder, quite a ...
groepaz
groepaz@...
Aug 6, 2001 6:33 am
... There may be a connection there, granted, but only insofar as lazy programmers produce crap, and lazy programmers don't know their tools. But not knowing...
Eddie Edwards
eddie@...
Aug 3, 2001 1:16 pm
... my demo, ... linker ... Hehe, good point here, Eddie! Er, I have a couple of questions regarding your DevStudio: I checked the source code you posted some...
dbrioso@...
Aug 3, 2001 3:46 pm
... Yeah, I wanted to clean it up a bit before I posted it - in particular, it's in desperate need of some macros, which is a weekend. Sadly, my PS2 game is ...
Eddie Edwards
eddie@...
Aug 8, 2001 6:42 pm
... load a ... people will be ... Can't wait to try it!!! The INCBMP things seems like a pretty nice idea to me, which, as a side effect, renders most gfx...
dbrioso@...
Aug 9, 2001 8:26 pm
... Most definitely. But I'm curious as to why you did it. Was it to learn about the ARM and/or how to write an assembler or was it because current ...
Jason Wilkins
fenix@...
Aug 5, 2001 3:58 pm
Oh great master of the mundain :p I've been holding off on doing any GBA stuff because of a number of things, among them, crt0.s ... is there a great end-all...
Dennis Munsie
munsied@...
Aug 5, 2001 4:04 pm
Hello Dennis, DM> Oh yeah, since I brought up C++, is anyone thinking of using the more DM> advanced features of C++ that require runtime support? Like DM>...
groepaz
groepaz@...
Aug 5, 2001 4:41 pm
My 2 cents worth ... A lot is being written on C++, libc, using code in IWRAM (at 3000000) or EWRAM (at 2000000). Here some facts and my ideas on this: code in...
Rob Jansen
rwjansen@...
Aug 6, 2001 4:17 am
... I am quite sure I spelled that wrong (mundane that is). ... See the code that Jeff just posted. It should handle almost everything. It need documentation...
Jason Wilkins
fenix@...
Aug 6, 2001 2:11 pm
Hi groepaz! JW>> lose of efficiency or control. So 99 percent of people should never have JW>> to touch their linker scripts. g> if you cant write a _simple_...
Vitaly Vidmirov
front@...
Aug 2, 2001 5:35 pm
Hello Vitaly, Thursday, August 02, 2001, 3:17:13 PM, you wrote: VV> Hi groepaz! JW>>> lose of efficiency or control. So 99 percent of people should never have...
groepaz
groepaz@...
Aug 2, 2001 8:52 pm
... I've noticed similar behavior from GCC in the tests I've done on my code. There are very clear cases where a conditionally executed instruction would have...
Dan Potter
bard@...
Aug 2, 2001 10:52 pm
In message <15211913602.20010802171713@...> ... Is this really compiled with all optimization on? I know the gcc (at least pre 3.0) is kinda dumb...