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Re: [gbadev] Re: Scripting on the GBA

apparently jak&daxter (on the ps2) was mostly written in lisp

...well, i thought that was cool, anyway :)



Julian Squires wrote:
> Hi. My two cents.
>
> On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 04:55:19AM -0000, Damian Yerrick wrote:
>
>>What is the fundamental difference between scripts and C anyway?
>
>
> In theory, not too much. In practice, overhead -- scripts are generally
> interpreted, usually at a bytecode level; scripting languages usually
> have all the storage issues hidden from view, usually with automatic
> variable creation (on a stack) and a garbage-collected memory allocator;
> scripting languages almost always have a larger runtime support system
> than C, especially if they support lisp-ish eval and similar.
>
> IMO, the real issue is that if you really want to push the boundries on
> the GBA, you can't always afford those overhead issues. A game like
> Maniac Mansion is the perfect example of the style of game where
> scripting is great... you're unlikely to be doing all that much in
> realtime except some decompression, there's lots of special case game
> logic for different areas, and the game's entities don't have much to do
> in terms of AI.
>
> Also, scripting languages are often used with the consideration that the
> designers can write in them, and test with them, more easily than they
> could in C. Of course, this only applies with a certain set of games.
>
> There will always be people who frown on any language that isn't C,
> especially languages with the overhead of the typical scripting
> language; but on the GBA, for many games, they're right.
>
> (What I don't get is why no one considers any of the nice modern
> languages for their game logic code, like modula3, or even ocaml or
> sather)
>
> Cheers.
>



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... You can find many games written in python (not for the gba btw), which i think is great. Here you have the best of both worlds - a language which has a...
Tom Badran
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Aug 12, 2003
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apparently jak&daxter (on the ps2) was mostly written in lisp ...well, i thought that was cool, anyway :) ... ...
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That's true (I worked on J&D) but the LISP dialect, GOAL, was actually compiled into R5900 native code, rather than being a scripting language. Even the...
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Hi all, The Apex Audio System (AAS) is an extremely efficient audio mixer and Protracker MOD player for the GBA. Its main features are a low memory footprint...
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... Attached is a benchmark comparison against Krawall which appears to support these speed claims. I ran the test on VisualBoyAdvance 1.5.1. I started with...
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Hi Pete, ... I can't argue with that, although if there's demand then xm and s3m support can be added in future. ... You're right. I will expand the list of...
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Hi, ... I believe I have now fixed this issue. It was caused by r13 being used by the mixer. This doesn't cause any problems with Single and Fast Interrupts...
James Daniels
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... Any change of getting the source or a linux binary for Conv2AAS.exe ? Thanks Tom -- ^__^ Tom Badran (oo)\______ Imperial College (__)\...
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Hi Tom, ... Sure. I'll put together a Linux binary ASAP. -- Cheers, James. /\ apex James Daniels //\\ designs...
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... Yup, I've confirmed that your update fixes the crashing problems. This also improved my success with some of the other problematic test files, however...
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Hi Pete, ... You'll be glad to know I've now added support for the following effects: + 6: Vibrato + Volume Slide + B: Position Jump + E6: Set/Jump to Loop +...
James Daniels
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... I don't know, but having a 1-bit output could be useful for clocking purposes. For instance, a game with rhythmic background effects could use it to time...
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Hi Damian, ... Ok, although of course that's not what "Set Filter" is supposed to be used for. In fact, used like that, it would be possible to send one of ...
James Daniels
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Hi Damian, ... Just thought I should let you know that this has now been added and will be in the next release. -- Cheers, James. /\ apex...
James Daniels
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Forgive me for saying but your downloadable demo really does sound ike it distorts and crackles a lot. So much so I had to check my installation! This is even...
Martin Piper
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Hi Martin, ... Are you sure that's not the samples in the MOD that are at fault rather than the mixer? I just played CreamOfTheEarth.mod in both AAS and Winamp...
James Daniels
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Yeah I was comparing the quality of "Cream Of The Earth" with your demo and a quickly hacked together version with our internal engine on GBA. Those are the...
Martin Piper
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Hi Martin, ... Ok, I'll investigate and see what I can do to increase the sound quality to Argonaut standards in future versions. -- Cheers, James. /\ apex...
James Daniels
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Aye "set filter" is pretty much unused in nearly all MODs anyway. :) ... From: James Daniels [mailto:james.daniels@...] Sent: 06 September 2003...
Martin Piper
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Hi all, The new version of AAS I mentioned before has now been released. You can download it here: http://www.apex-designs.net/tools_aas.html The changes in...
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... I've implemented it in MASO System, yes. http://maso.r0x.free.fr...
Greg Saugis
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Hi Greg, ... Interesting. How did you do it so that it wouldn't eat loads of CPU? -- Cheers, James. /\ apex James Daniels //\\...
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... out[i] = (in[i] + in[i-1])/2 processed when clipping the mixing buffer surprisingly fast (and optional anyway) might be more difficult to implement if you...
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Hi Greg, ... I see. Neat! ... Well, not having an intermediate mixing buffer is certainly part of it, but if I told you more I'd have to kill you. :) -- ...
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wow :) i guess that if you have a good enough compiler, that kind of approach will always work well... though it's totally OT, did working in lisp help the...
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How does small compare to LUA? Emil ... From: Groepaz To: gbadev@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [gbadev] Re: Scripting on...
Emil Arkman
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... whats LUA ? :=P gpz...
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G> whats LUA ? :=P http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lua -- porneL Have you ever imagined a world with no hypothetical situations? [ http://pornel.ldreams.net ] GG...
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http://www.gatesboy.com/Lua/Documentation/ It looks like there's actually a LUA implementation for the GBA that you may want to check out. Btw, I'm a complete...
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... The gbajunkie docs i remember being very good. Are you a complete newb to th gba or programming in general? If its programming in general the gba is not ...
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