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To all unpublished developers - You may find this very interesting.   Message List  
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RE: [gbadev] Re: To all unpublished developers - You may find this very interesting...

Yep, it wont stop the copying , but then if a machine has to read
something (Cd / Rom / Dvd) , then anyone who can program can remove
protection , just by stepping though hex. But if it's a HW protection
that's another story

Copy protection is only intended to stop the casual copyier (i.e Numpty
with a burner), and if the crackers didn't release the crack , then 99%
of the peeps out there without the knowledge would either buy or not use

It's the 1% that can hack/crack that we will never stop , oh and the big
Hong Kong Copiers/Dupers are included in that :)

And don't forget that a Very high % of the stuff that ends up In WAREZ ,
was release from Dev/Beta/Duplicators before it even hits the streets,
and that just stupid we are kill our own jobs

C


-- Sig On --
Ppps. I know i can't spell and all my grammer is wrong , so there's no
need to point it out :)
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-----Original Message-----
From: groepaz [mailto:groepaz@...]
Sent: 01 June 2002 00:18
To: Chris White
Subject: Re: [gbadev] Re: To all unpublished developers - You may find
this very interesting...


Hello Chris,

Friday, May 31, 2002, 11:17:29 PM, you wrote:

CW> Okay heres my 2p (maybe go for 5p) worth of opinion

CW> The Id key mentioned @ beginning of thread I think was
CW> intended for the PROGRAMMER , and only his Burner could program his
CW> carts (i.e someone wouldn't be able to take his DEMO/GAME , and
CW> overwrite it with there own i.e nick his rom)

CW> And beens as this would then be a HW issue external from GBA

CW> , then hacking would be irrelevent . Unless they are into hacking
CW> Electronics etc (and that's not impossible for any HW)

err? that might be a possible solution for your specific problem, but
its kinda useless for copy-protection purposes dont you think?

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Hello Chris, Friday, May 31, 2002, 11:17:29 PM, you wrote: CW> Okay heres my 2p (maybe go for 5p) worth of opinion CW> The Id key mentioned @ beginning...
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Yep, it wont stop the copying , but then if a machine has to read something (Cd / Rom / Dvd) , then anyone who can program can remove protection , just by...
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Hello Chris, CW> And don't forget that a Very high % of the stuff that ends up In WAREZ , CW> was release from Dev/Beta/Duplicators before it even hits the...
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... Making sure memory isn't rewritable would be much easier with a write-once memory technology (such as blown-fuse PROM) than with a key-based system. ... ...
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Jun 1, 2002
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... Not impossible? Bull. Semiconductor devices *can* be made effectively tamper-proof, that is, by the time it's cracked, the information has negligible...
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Chris, I get the feeling that I have not communicated well what exactly this product will be. Let me try to clarify... Okay, the RAM cartridge is what the...
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Jun 1, 2002
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Cheers , much clearer , me and wrong end of stick (again :)) , but like everyone is saying ,if ID is inside HEX then its easily hackable C Chris, I get the...
Chris White
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just as a slight aside to this - ive been doing a couple of games that use eeprom for backup memory and they don't work on visoly carts - now, I was pretty...
Neil Holmes
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Hello bryanedds, Saturday, June 01, 2002, 5:14:32 AM, you wrote: b> Chris, I get the feeling that I have not communicated well what b> exactly this product...
groepaz
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Jun 1, 2002
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How about a petition to Visoly to show them how interested we are in this product? Right now it's still in the air whether they will start production or not....
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May 31, 2002
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... takes about 10 minutes to be cracked ... at the max ......
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Depending on the implementation of the copy protection scheme, it could takes from 10 minutes to hack (as you said) to months, to possibly never (if there's...
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Only the 256Mbit cart supports flash, eeprom, sram ... From: Neil Holmes To: gbadev@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 7:29 AM Subject: RE: [gbadev]...
TJ
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... As someone who remembers getting cracked copies of games without their cutscenes as a kid (yeah, yeah, I stopped a few years ago, and have since paid for...
Fatty diZilla
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Jun 2, 2002
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... I've been thinking the same thing, except not a cart, but a drive that takes 8cm Compact Disc media. Think "Famicom Disk System". ...
yerricde
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Jun 2, 2002
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... That would be *sick*. How much would it cost to amateur assemble? Can they be made with mostly off-the-shelf parts? Will someone need to solder (a ...
Fatty diZilla
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Jun 2, 2002
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... How much would the Visoly flash carts cost to amateur assemble? I wasn't considering amateur assembly; I was considering having some manufacturer make it....
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Jun 3, 2002
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This sounds pretty cool -- here's my ideas as well - the device should plug into the cart port, and have a passthrough for both carts and link port. - assuming...
Dennis Munsie
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Jun 3, 2002
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There was special hardware that ppl made to load onto the famicon disks just like they loaded the roms onto them at a software store. in fact some software...
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Jun 2, 2002
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... good protection! and as soon as someone comes up with a way to make new protection it will be counteracted asap and can probably be dealt with in less time...
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Jun 3, 2002
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That's a joke. Just look at how the new copy protection on the CDs was broken... It took them over a year to make it and they pirated the CDs before they even...
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... It can be prolonged. I'm with the list in that I feel that a serial ID system will only work for games which are low-profile enough to not get cracking...
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... there's nothing that wont get pirated. people even pirate US $5 shareware tools. and if the games are low-profile enough to not get cracking attention ...
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... Though I could be in error, I believe that the Visoly carts do not support EEPROM data. I originally tried to gack the Mario combo game when I first got...
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As usual, i feel the urge to step in and act as the pessimistic old fart that i am :). One thing that a lot of people in here seem to forget, is the fact that...
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Personally, I think the reason that most homedev is crap is because there is no promising monetary motivation for devr's. If people were actually able to make...
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... I disagree. I think that the motivation for homebrew developers is better than money: it's that they want to create something and show off what they made....
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... The United States has anti-trust legislation. ... But OSDN does. If you get your product mentioned on Slashdot, you'll get mindshare, and from mindshare...
yerricde
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Jun 3, 2002
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... fart that i am :). ... that you need to actually SELL your games. Developing and physically getting cartridges done is the easy part - selling is the hard...
davesbit
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Jun 4, 2002
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... that i am :). ... neccessary to invest into doing proper games. Since games wont sell, naturally noone will invest in doing them. And no, you CANT do...
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