hmmmm, when i rename it to "readme.txt", it shows up
, but, not when it is named "README.txt"...

odd, but, at least it works now...


insidious_plots...
http://home.earthlink.net/~insidiousplot

http://home.earthlink.net/~dcbrowsers/files/surfersc
ripts/

uh, anyone happen to know why the readme file i crea
ted is not showing in the directory listing?


insidious_plots...
http://home.earthlink.net/~insidiousplot

> well, it seems like the planetwebmaster tools are
> still up for now....hopefully they'll remain up...

i promised to keep everyone updated, but then the pw
  list suddenly died...  everyone on the list was say
ing good-bye, even though cari was saying there woul
d be warning if the list was going down...
kind of like this whole seganet thing, i guess every
one on the list took everyone else's word for it tha
t it was the end...

though, today, i did receive a post from the list...
   so, that says to me it is still going...

however, all the questions that i had have still nt
been asked there, so, maybe i should make apost of m
y own...  (things like if dreamcall was affected whe
n pw pulls out, whether or not the saturn section wa
s going with the dc section, etc....  questions i am
  pretty sure i know the answer to, but, i wanted to
hear the official word and i assumed others would be
  asking, so i did not bother...)


> which reminds me...wasn't someone gonna mirror
> all the pw dc pages...before their gone for good?

yes, pete did, and posted the link when he got it al
l done...  though, i am not sure he got the saves to
  work...  and i think there was a couple other minor
  issues, like some javascript-flip images and such..
.


insidious_plots...
http://home.earthlink.net/~insidiousplot

> kind of a general guide here
> http://wwwcsif.cs.ucdavis.edu/~hueyt/STO/dcconfig.
html

hmmm, this is getting spooky...
this is also something i found not too long ago...
and added the link in the new bookmarks folder...

anyway, yes, it seemed like it would definitely be u
seful...  i just don't have much experience with thi
s sort of thing, so, i was not sure...  but, i figur
ed i better grab the link anyway...  it just had tha
t "useful-info-to-somebody" sort of look to it...


(i think i will now search my apartment for hidden c
ameras...)


insidious_plots...
http://home.earthlink.net/~insidiousplot

funny you should bring this up...
i was trying to use this the other day and could not
  get it to work...  in fact, the site the script com
es from (WIIS or something like that) is no longer u
p...  actually, if i recall correctly, it stated on
the page that this was an interface for the site tha
t is no longer up...
which, i concluded, was the reason it no longer work
ed...


> don't know how long it will be up
> though as pw stops supporting the
> browsers and such...
>
> but nevertheless it resizes the images
> by rewriting the html code...
>
> http://tools.planetweb.com/setimgsize.html


insidious_plots...
http://home.earthlink.net/~insidiousplot

well, it seems like the planetwebmaster tools are
still up for now....hopefully they'll remain up...

which reminds me...wasn't someone gonna mirror
all the pw dc pages...before their gone for good?





--- In DreamcastBrowsers@yahoogroups.com, "khnc5 <vgskarl@h...>"
<vgskarl@h...> wrote:
> don't know how long it will be up
> though as pw stops supporting the
> browsers and such...
>
> but nevertheless it resizes the images
> by rewriting the html code...
>
> http://tools.planetweb.com/setimgsize.html

ok, by something i will settle for calling popular d
emand, all the surfer scripts are now posted publica
lly in NON-WORKING form...
you will have to copy the scripts to your own server
  and fill in the necessary urls to make them work...

this includes the "dp surfer", the "dk surfer", the
"dual surfer", the barely begun pw surfer, the gener
ic search bar, and a very brief readme.txt, which ex
plains what i am explaining now...

http://home.earthlink.net/~dcbrowsers/files/surfersc
ripts
or
http://DCBG.cjb.net/files/surferscripts

as the only author of the scripts present, i will as
sume i am qualified to release them as open source,
with permission hereby given to do with what you ple
ase...
(to be clear, they WERE originally published publial
ly, anyway, so, that much has not changed...)

think of this as an opportunity to make them everyth
ing you always wished they were before...


if (big if) anyone is still using the old vmu-based
versions of the surfers previously published at this
  group and it's former incarnations, the Console Bro
wsers Group and the Video Game Systems Online group,
  and released via Dreamserv, let me know and i will
consider putting the scripts back on line that are n
ecessary for the old files to function...


insidious_plots...
http://home.earthlink.net/~insidiousplot

don't know how long it will be up
though as pw stops supporting the
browsers and such...

but nevertheless it resizes the images
by rewriting the html code...

http://tools.planetweb.com/setimgsize.html

kind of a general guide here
http://wwwcsif.cs.ucdavis.edu/~hueyt/STO/dcconfig.html

Ah... yeah forgot about that... my bad...

One tick i'll boot up the DC.

--- In DreamcastBrowsers@yahoogroups.com, insidiousplot@e... wrote:
> > Good idea...
> >
> > I hope it works as i'm on my PC right now...
> >
> > Let me know how it goes...
>
> ah...  yeah, it is a vmi file from a pc, so, it did
> not work...
> i was thinking what you had created was an html doc
> with a submit form...
> if that is what it is, then, posting it in html form
> at or putting it in the group files in html format w
> ould be best...
>
> i swore i had made a copy of it somewhere, but i can
> not, for the life of me, find it...
>
>
> insidious_plots...
> http://home.earthlink.net/~insidiousplot

we have been getting alot of this sort of thing late
ly...
for over a year, we never had to use the ban feature
...  now, it seems i am having to use it all the tim
e...


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> Good idea...
>
> I hope it works as i'm on my PC right now...
>
> Let me know how it goes...

ah...  yeah, it is a vmi file from a pc, so, it did
not work...
i was thinking what you had created was an html doc
with a submit form...
if that is what it is, then, posting it in html form
at or putting it in the group files in html format w
ould be best...

i swore i had made a copy of it somewhere, but i can
not, for the life of me, find it...


insidious_plots...
http://home.earthlink.net/~insidiousplot

all the vmu
> downloads of the surfer are now non
> existant???

well, tough times since dreamserv lost all dcbg's wo
rk, isn't it?

but, i had nothing to do with that...
and it seems we all have to do without since then...

maybe someday, someone will make new vmu-based versi
ons and they will distribute them...


> And it was working perfectly...
> I only was demonstrating it cos it was
> very usefull to me now the blue bars are
> gone and only the url that was there exists
> now!

you were not "demonstrating it", you were calling it
  the "dreamkey surfer" and linking to the demos in m
y webspace...
i did not make it to be web-based...  whether you ca
me across the errors or not, they are a reality...
we did not make them vmu-based to amuse ourselves or
  show off our scripting prowess...  we had very good
  reasons...
and when people link to my web-demos, with my name o
n them, that is taking something that i designed to
be error-free and making public a flawed version of
it, with my name still on them, in the url...  the d
emos were meant to be just demos...  and it was alwa
ys clearly stated that they were for demo purposes o
nly...
yet people continue to link to the demos...

you just happened to be the lucky guy to make me dec
ide i had had enough...

if you want to run a web-based version, be my guest.
..  on your host...  without my name in the url or a
nywhere at all...


> My dreamkey.h00 is not working
> now!

i have no idea what a .H file has to do with anythin
g, since the file i released was named "DKSurfer.i_p
" or something close to that, but, as i recall, i al
so released the bars at the same time, as downloadab
le files...  not sure, i would have to see the origi
nal scripts, which i no longer have...

i will see what i can do about releasing the scrpts,
  but, considering everyone had plenty of time to cop
y them, (they were released something like a year an
d a half ago, at least) i never thought i would have
  to release them, so, don't hold your breath...

for that matter, as many people that have copied the
m to make their own web-based versions, there should
  be plenty of places to get the scripts or just link
  to their web-based version...

bottom line is many of us used web-based surfers for
  a very long time and got tired of the problems inhe
rent in them...  so, we figured out a way around the
  probems, and that was to make them vmu-based...
i cannot help but wonder why people think we went to
  all that trouble for no reason, if they worked just
  as well web-based...

and i do not like the idea of people using something
  with my name associated with it (or the group's nam
e) that is NOT what we intended...
and i like it less every time i see someone linking
to our demos and calling it the real thing...


insidious_plots...
http://home.earthlink.net/~insidiousplot

The NTV-2500 from Neon Technology pretty much delivers entertainment
to your living room. Adding this device to your entertainment center
will suddenly give you Internet and email access, picture phone
capabilities, a karaoke machine, a DVD/CD player, and a digital
camera.

If you are looking for a DVD player, the NTV-2500 accommodates DVDs,
VCD, Audio CDs, and MP3s on CDs, and you can hook it up to your
stereo system for surround sound. If you would like to use it to
channel surf, one feature of this TV tuner function will allow you to
see the action of six different channels on one screen.

Connecting through the internal 56k modem or 10/100BaseT Ethernet
port will give you Internet access right on your television screen.
And if you are absorbed in a TV program, but just have to go online,
you can even set the view to picture in picture, so you don't miss a
thing. If e-commerce is appealing to you, the NTV-2500 also supports
SSL 3.0 for security. Emailing is also an option with this device,
allowing you to send voice or picture attachments with the Neon Cam.

The Neon Cam is a device also included with the NTV-2500. With it,
you can turn your TV into an Internet picture phone. By setting up
calls through your TV, you can establish a connection to send
pictures of yourself to other users via the Internet.

If karaoke is your passion, the NTV-2500 also includes a microphone
input for sing-along karaoke, though a separate karaoke disc is
necessary. Also included are a wireless keyboard and remote control.

With all of these different options, a fairly powerful processor must
be running in the background, right? Well, what you will find is an
Intel Mobile Pentium 266 MHz MMX processor. It also runs the QNX 32-
bit posix RTOS.

Product Name NTV-2500
Processor 266 MHz Intel Mobile Pentium MMX
Memory 16 MB DRAM
8 MB Flash
Dimensions 16.9 x 11.9 x 2.9 in
428.6 x 301.6 x 73.0 mm
Input/Output Wireless keyboard
Remote control
Serial port
Parallel port
(2) USB ports
IR port
RJ-11
RJ-45
Integrated smart card
Microphone
Digital Neon Cam
Operating System QNX
32-bit posix RTOS
Audio 16-bit stereo audio out
Coaxial RCA jack (AC-3 surround sound)
Microphone in
Video Composite video in/out
S-video in/out
NTSC
VGA (Accelerated 16-bit) port
RF input
Browser Support HTML 3.2
HTTP 1.0
Javascript
Frames
Tables
RealPlayer 5.0
Graphic files
Animated GIFs, JPEGs
AU, WAV, MIDI Audio Files

Good idea...

I hope it works as i'm on my PC right now...

Let me know how it goes...


-Andrew


--- insidiousplot@... wrote:
>
> > I'll make another copy up, and email it to you
>
> if you could post it to the files group, that would
> also be helpful...
> in fact, if it is in .H format, that would work best
> ...
> don't know if you are a member over there or not, bu
> t, just email it as an attachment to...
> DCBG-Files @ yahoogroups.com
> i don't remember if you have to be a member to post
> there or not...
>
> though, on the other hand, even if you just post it
> to this group, i could copy the source and add it as
>  a file in the group webspace...
> (or if you are on your pc, you could add it to the g
> roup files section as an html doc...  that might be
> easiest and best...)
>
> whatever you want...  but, yeah, it would be handy t
> o have it somewhere...
>
>
> insidious_plots...
> http://home.earthlink.net/~insidiousplot
>


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Do you realise that now you
have killed the surfer link all the vmu
downloads of the surfer are now non
existant??? And it was working perfectly...
I only was demonstrating it cos it was
very usefull to me now the blue bars are
gone and only the url that was there exists
now! So anyway thats the only link that
is dead the other one is still going strong!
My dreamkey.h00 is not working
now!

> I'll make another copy up, and email it to you

if you could post it to the files group, that would
also be helpful...
in fact, if it is in .H format, that would work best
...
don't know if you are a member over there or not, bu
t, just email it as an attachment to...
DCBG-Files @ yahoogroups.com
i don't remember if you have to be a member to post
there or not...

though, on the other hand, even if you just post it
to this group, i could copy the source and add it as
  a file in the group webspace...
(or if you are on your pc, you could add it to the g
roup files section as an html doc...  that might be
easiest and best...)

whatever you want...  but, yeah, it would be handy t
o have it somewhere...


insidious_plots...
http://home.earthlink.net/~insidiousplot

> jus wonderin how u do this from a webpage or your
email...thx

depends on if you mean with a dc or a pc...
a site like http://booyaka.com offers both formats..
.  (uh, i think...  been awhile since i was there...
)  oh, for that matter, i believe the saves at gamef
aqs.com are offered in pc and dc formats...  pc form
at will be a .dci link, if i remember correctly...
either way, a saves site will almost certainly tell
you what platform they are meant to be downloaded wi
th...
ah, and it just occured to me that jeffma added a wh
ole folder of saves sites in the group bookmarks and
  i am pretty sure he even labelled them as offering
the pc or dc format...

either way, it is a simple matter of just finding th
em on the web, where they will provide simple inks..
.  you click on the link and d/l the file, same as a
ny other kind of file...

on a dc browser, you will just save them to a memory
  card or vmu, and that is all there is to it...
on a pc, you will need a special kind of memory card
  and software...

and via email is pretty much the same...  you reciev
e it as an attachment and save it...


insidious_plots...
http://home.earthlink.net/~insidiousplot

ey man...
          I had it archived in Dreamserv but seeing it
was 'hacked'.

I'll make another copy up, and email it to you.


-Andrew

--- "paulokhm <paulokhm@...>"
<paulokhm@...> wrote:
> i need the "crazy taxy 2 uploader" archive. if
> someone have it, send to me to this email;
> paulokhm@...
>
> thx in advance
> paulokhm<hmwnd>
> ps. if someone knows a place where i can get it, it
> will help too. not in dreamsaves, harddrive, i just
> cant find it on the web:(
>
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it would seem you don't know much about the drastic
difference between webtv cookies and dreamcast brows
er cookies, nor do you seem to know much about the d
ifferent kinds of dreamkey, specifically, in relatio
n to ssl suport...

but, it is not my responsibility to educate you...


> i think you are the one who
> doesnt know anything much about using a dreamcast

> who the fuck do you think you are!!!

hmmm, you must be new around here...


> and seeing how you are being like
> that my friend will kill all your links cos im not
> amused!!

perhaps you missed the part where i pointed out that
  i removed the pages you were linking to...
so, yes, you might want to remove the links since th
ey are now 404's...


insidious_plots...
http://home.earthlink.net/~insidiousplot

i need the "crazy taxy 2 uploader" archive. if someone have it, send to me to
this email;
paulokhm@...

thx in advance
paulokhm<hmwnd>
ps. if someone knows a place where i can get it, it will help too. not in
dreamsaves, harddrive, i just cant find it on the web:(

change your dialup number. id changed to a backup
number and now it works. and youre right, its a isp
problem, with the dialup number

paulokhm<hmwnd>









  --- "xbooger <xbooger@...>" <xbooger@...>
escreveu: > Happy new year dude !!
> ----------------------
> man i have the same shit right now... :(
> and i guess there is nothing we can do.. :((
> i think its something about our isp's...
> ----------------------
> too bad :((((((((((((
>
>
> --- In DreamcastBrowsers@yahoogroups.com, "paulokhm
> <paulokhm@y...>" <paulokhm@y...> wrote:
> > id redseted my dreamcast(internal memory). when i
> try to re-edit my ch@b info, that url(isp options,
> where you active your ch@b, something like"
> profile.dricas.com") never load, then i lost the
> connection. problems with isao? no more ch@b? i did
> it one month ago, and without problems.
> > thx and happy new year, dcbg'ers:)
> >
> > paulokhm<hmwnd>
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man i have the same shit right now... :(
and i guess there is nothing we can do.. :((
i think its something about our isp's...
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--- In DreamcastBrowsers@yahoogroups.com, "paulokhm <paulokhm@y...>"
<paulokhm@y...> wrote:
> id redseted my dreamcast(internal memory). when i try to re-edit my ch@b info,
that url(isp options, where you active your ch@b, something like"
profile.dricas.com") never load, then i lost the connection. problems with isao?
no more ch@b? i did it one month ago, and without problems.
> thx and happy new year, dcbg'ers:)
>
> paulokhm<hmwnd>

id redseted my dreamcast(internal memory). when i try to re-edit my ch@b info,
that url(isp options, where you active your ch@b, something like"
profile.dricas.com") never load, then i lost the connection. problems with isao?
no more ch@b? i did it one month ago, and without problems.
thx and happy new year, dcbg'ers:)

paulokhm<hmwnd>

what the fuck is your problem i am a dreamkey user and
all that stuff works perfectly for me and anyone else
so get your facts straight i think you are the one who
doesnt know anything much about using a dreamcast cos
going by what you have said it has all been stupid in
my view who the fuck do you think you are!!!1 fuck off
moron and tend to your own business all the other
dreamcasters that have been using it have been
inpressed. The cookie manager resets my cookies on my
dreamcast and also has the link for tools which work
perfectly for me and seeing how you are being like
that my friend will kill all your links cos im not
amused!!





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&gt; <BR>
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<BR>
<BR>
first of all, i made it perfectly clear that the
&quot;yahoo id creation page&quot; did not
work...&nbsp; (and even clearer that it did not work
at all for dreamkey users...)&nbsp; did you even TEST
it???&nbsp; ah, well, you clearly do not test things
you put on your site that you claim to be &quot;useful
for dreamkey users&quot;, judging by the WEBTV cookie
manager you have on your site for dreamcast
users...<BR>
so, tell me, what is it you think it does???<BR>
<BR>
i further made it clear that i was not leaving that
page on the webspace...<BR>
you obviously ignored both statements...<BR>
<BR>
so, i changed the url...<BR>
enjoy the dead link, #1...<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
secondly, i will never understand why people continue
to link to the webdemos of things like the dp/dk
surfers...<BR>
they were made to be VMU-BASED ONLY...<BR>
perhaps you missed that word WEBDEMOS in the
url...<BR>
a DEMO, by definition, is not the final product
itself...<BR>
i have repeated time and time again that web-based
surfers ARE FLAWED...&nbsp; malformed post errors,
status bar in the way, etc....&nbsp; if you want one,
go find someone else's that does not care if they
publish buggy junk...&nbsp; there are TONS of them out
there...<BR>
<BR>
so, again, i changed the url...<BR>
enjoy the dead link, #2...<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
i have no problem with people posting about their site
when it is something good and/or useful...<BR>
<BR>
which is why i have a problem with your post...<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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jus wonderin how u do this from a webpage or your email...thx

Mamak should be able to tell you the url to get one.  You will need a credit
card as its not free. and its a monthly fee. and as for the dial up numbers
there your standard isp numbers.  Its the same setup we would use for chab just
with pso you also need a hunters license.  from all the trouble your having it
sounds like you would be better off just getting a domestic version.  it almost
sounds like your attempting to use a burned copy and if thats the case you will
need to find a serial number and an access key, which you will not find.


--- In DreamcastBrowsers@yahoogroups.com, "mrblue_9_2000 <mrblue_9_2000@y...>"
<mrblue_9_2000@y...> wrote:
> can anybody tell me where to find it! and dialing numbers were the
> chabsign account! e.g. 0099-333-888 that is the numbers to input ??

--- In DreamcastBrowsers@yahoogroups.com, "exidos1 <exidos1@y...>"
<exidos1@y...> wrote:
> Hi thought this bookmark might prove to be
> usefull for DREAMKEY users take a look its
> got all the handy sites and scripts on it
>
> http://www.angelfire.com/tx5/exidos/javabookmark.html


first of all, i made it perfectly clear that the "yahoo id creation page" did
not work...  (and even clearer that it did not work at all for dreamkey
users...)  did you even TEST it???  ah, well, you clearly do not test things you
put on your site that you claim to be "useful for dreamkey users", judging by
the WEBTV cookie manager you have on your site for dreamcast users...
so, tell me, what is it you think it does???

i further made it clear that i was not leaving that page on the webspace...
you obviously ignored both statements...

so, i changed the url...
enjoy the dead link, #1...


secondly, i will never understand why people continue to link to the webdemos of
things like the dp/dk surfers...
they were made to be VMU-BASED ONLY...
perhaps you missed that word WEBDEMOS in the url...
a DEMO, by definition, is not the final product itself...
i have repeated time and time again that web-based surfers ARE FLAWED... 
malformed post errors, status bar in the way, etc....  if you want one, go find
someone else's that does not care if they publish buggy junk...  there are TONS
of them out there...

so, again, i changed the url...
enjoy the dead link, #2...


i have no problem with people posting about their site when it is something good
and/or useful...

which is why i have a problem with your post...


insidious_plots...
http://home.earthlink.net/~insidiousplot

> can anybody tell me where to find it!

oh, now come on...
this info is certainly at mamak...  they would not b
e much of an import pso site if they did not tell ho
w to get a hunter's license...


  and dialing numbers were the
> chabsign account! e.g. 0099-333-888 that is the nu
mbers to input ??

are you saying you put the chab account number where
  the phone number goes???
obviously, you have to put a phone number where the
phone number goes...


with all this trouble you seem to be having, why not
  just pick up a domestic copy of pso...


insidious_plots...
http://home.earthlink.net/~insidiousplot