I say if curtis keeps it up, we should inform
Planetweb of his little browser ripping. Or as he
calls it DCTV.....

ah yeah and kefka... whats he on?



-Andrew


--- insidiousplot@... wrote:
>
> looks like i have missed alot in the week or so i wa
> s gone... good to see a couple of the mods have tak
> en up a bit of the slack...
>
> so, now to the unpleasantness at hand...
>
>
> --- In DreamcastBrowsers@yahoogroups.com, "november
> <the_november@y...>" <the_november@y...> wrote:
> > So how exactly is curtis trying to erase DCBG?
>
> wow...
> did you read any of it?
> i think he made his intentions pretty clear and allu
> ded to his methods...
>
>
> > If I didn't know any better I'd say you should not
> say stuff , you wouldn't want to be the cause of na
> sty rumors... God knows I've heard my share of them
> here...
>
> ah, the return of the conspiracy theorist mentality.
> ..
> which nasty rumors were these again? i have read ev
> ery post ever made to the dcbg and am not aware of w
> hat you might be talking about...
> dispelled some rumors? plenty...
> started? not too common...
>
>
> anyway, it seems curtis had tried to deflect the hea
> t brought on by this being posted here by saying he
> is now NOT doing anything and it seems kefka is agai
> n protecting him by closing off the vmuhd forums...
> once again, seems alot over there requires you join
> their club...
> no matter, one of my esteemed colleagues has added a
> copy of the thread in the group webspace files dire
> ctory... i guess, for anyone else who may step up a
> nd try to argue that curtis has never been a problem
> ...
> if anything does happen to the dcbg, seems we have a
> good case for who did it...
> "not IF but WHEN i delete the dcbg" is how he put it
> , as i recall... that pretty much covers it...
>
> but, another issue is which dcbg? that encompasses
> alot more than just a yahoo group these days... and
> pretty much everything, everywhere is backed up som
> ewhere and even cached by our search engine...
>
> what has been created here will be around a long tim
> e...
>
>
> as for the rest of this whole mess, here are a few p
> ublic statements...
> i had never needed for any of this to be public, but
> , it seems these are now public issues...
>
>
> firstly, curtis... damn, you are paranoid...
> i see alot of talk about getting "trashed at the dcb
> g" and all that... are we talking about the same dc
> bg?
> how many hundreds or thousands of posts back are you
> reading to see any "curtis-bashing" or anything lik
> e it?
> and then you are undoubtedly getting pretty wild-eye
> d when you say that you KNOW everyone talks about yo
> u in private emails and chab...
> damn, dude...
>
> curtis, you have given us enough material to have a
> weekly "remember when curtis did this" feature for y
> ears... if i added the personal attacks on myself,
> miss mary, and even other members of my family that
> have never been made public, i have even more materi
> al...
>
> point being, if i was out to disgrace you, you have
> made it an easy job...
> but, revenge is your thing, not mine... peace and q
> uiet is quite fine with me...
>
> we HAVE all managed to find some other things to tal
> k about besides you...
> move the hell on... everyone else has...
>
>
> secondly, kefka... i just never cease to be disappo
> inted...
> when did your site come to stand for a place for sla
> nder and a hideout for people who OPENLY and defiant
> ly say they have plans to hack not only sites but pe
> ople's private accounts?
> you have heard this is illegal and immoral, right?
> yet, these are the sorts of people you call friends
> now? and partners?
> well, then, maybe i shouldn't feel so bad about no l
> onger being one...
>
> in case no one has noticed, i have never made an att
> empt to avenge myself in any way or "get back at" an
> yone on behalf of the group, myself, or my wife, who
> seems to be continually dragged into this by those
> who do not like me... (nor have i even give much or
> any public acknowledgement of the attacks, in many
> cases...)
> and anyone who would hack someone's account or site
> is pretty low in my book and i think i side with the
> majority of decent society on this one...
>
>
> on that note, kefka, i am also quite shocked to see
> the reference saying that i had tried to cause some
> sort of trouble at your site???
> well, this is the first i have heard of it...
> dcbg used to be host to a great many heated argument
> s and it is no longer... there is no "curtis-bashin
> g" or "dreamserv-bashing"... (seems we can leave th
> e bashing to kefka's site...) so, not only has ther
> e been no attempt to make your site look bad, i have
> no knowledge of anyone here trying to start trouble
> at your site, especially not me...
>
> now, there WAS a brief reference by carmen saying th
> at i had re-registered and tried to do something or
> other?
> hmmm... not sure what that means...
>
> well, there WAS a thread on your board where someone
> was being banned or something for calling carmen na
> sty names and this BIG deal was made about someone c
> alling her these names...
> so, i made a post, and, yes, this required registeri
> ng...
>
> my reason?
> what was my post about?
>
> well, a few months ago, carmen sent my wife, miss ma
> ry, a private message one day using the dreamserv me
> ssage board private message system...
> they had never spoken before...
> before much more than ten minutes had passed, carmen
> had some pretty wild accusations against miss mary
> and alot of insulting comments... where she got her
> info, no one seems to know, but, it ended up with c
> armen calling miss mary some nasty names and both of
> us were looking at each other stunned like "what wa
> s THAT all about"?
>
> maybe all you oh-so-experienced internet veterans ca
> ll each other names all the time, but, all this abus
> ive stuff between strangers or friends-of-friends is
> pretty new to us...
>
> so, we figure because we and kefka had been good fri
> ends for quite awhile and english is carmen's second
> language, there must have been some mistake or misu
> nderstanding, so, miss mary sent a quick message to
> kefka letting him know that apparently she had manag
> ed to unintentioally offend carmen, maybe from carme
> n misunderstanding something kefka might have said a
> nd maybe even some things miss mary had said... sin
> ce it was a matter of a possible language barrier, s
> he also let him know that she was saving all the pri
> vate messages so he could see what she was talking a
> bout...
>
> well, next thing we knew he had banned her and delet
> ed her account...
> i guess he saw it as destroying the evidence? no id
> ea... he never replied to miss mary's message, just
> left us wondering what had just happened...
>
> we have spent countless hours chatting with kefka fo
> r well over a year, even bought him pso and had many
> good hours playing and needless to say, he and i ha
> ve spent many hours working together... where ANY o
> f this came from, we have no idea...
> there has been motivational differences between the
> two sites, but, i had no idea things had gotten pers
> onal until this happened...
> no account of kefka's has ever been banned from dcbg
> , no post ever modded, and he has even added links i
> n the bookmarks, like everyone is free to do, i stil
> l posted the link to his site when i saw people at m
> essage boards ask about vmu saves sites, and miss ma
> ry and i visited his site boards daily back then, so
> , we thought all was peace...
>
> until all that happeneed with no explanation or even
> clear reason...
>
> so, flash forward to the semi-recent time when someo
> ne had called carmen bad names...
> it was when carmen made a post saying basically "how
> would YOU feel if someone called YOUR wife a slut?!
> " that i posted...
> i could not help myself, apparently, so, i re-regist
> ered and made a post, it was a brief message, someth
> ing like "oh, but, things are different when you cal
> l MY wife a slut???"
> yes, i know, not exactly socratic debate methods, bu
> t, again, i have been happily staying out of squabbl
> es for a long time... i even used my real name so i
> t would hopefully not be seen as some "dcbg vs. drea
> mserv" thing, since apparently people REALLY want th
> ere to be friction between the sites...
>
> so, anyway, the message was deleted pretty quick, an
> d, if i had to guess, this is what is now being labe
> lled as me "trying to start trouble" over there...
> hmm...
> sounds like a stretch to me...
>
> but, now there is a thread of personal attacks again
> ... so far, miss mary has been called "slut", "skan
> k", and a few other inappropriate things and i have
> been called some interesting things, of course, plus
> there is this whole "gonna' delete dcbg" thing...
> you know, we have been online for 2 years, and i did
> plenty of stuff back in the bbs days and this is th
> e only time and place that we have ever had anything
> like this...
>
> and it always seems to involve curtis...
>
> which means it must be due to the fact that he think
> s i should not be running the dcbg or something...
> well, curtis, you are the only one complaining...
>
> i can look across the width and breadth of dcbg and
> it's related sites and not see anyone calling anyone
> 's wife anything... or threatening anyone... or ba
> shing someone else's site... or making threats of i
> llegal hacking activities...
>
> and, i think that is a good thing...
>
> maybe i am missing some important element of interne
> t sociology or something?
>
>
> so, i will now be banning the people who want to arg
> ue about this... go ahead and have your fun elsewhe
> re...
> feel free to talk about how we "can bash you" over h
> ere and then stop you from defending yourself...
> try to create some kind of we/they seige mentality o
> r site war or competition or whatever you want to sa
> y it is...
> say what ever you want, just don't say it here..
> controversy is not welcome here... we never had to
> ban anyone in the entire history of this group... c
> urtis was the first and every banning since then has
> been connected to him in one way or another...
>
> curtis, trust me, i have plenty of better things to
> do with my time than make fun of you... probably 90
> % of the people here have no clue who you even are..
> . if i wanted to bash you, i could bring up everyth
> ing you have ever done publically and privately, all
> in the name of warning the new people...
> even the long-time members never even talk about any
> of this anymore...
> just you...
>
> just get over it and go away...
>
> or don't get over it and go away...
>
> anyone who wants to defend curtis or otherwise fight
> about this, go elsewhere... in fact, they seem to
> like fighting, name-calling, site-bashing, threat-ma
> kers and hacking over at vmuhd, so, take it over the
> re...
>
> here...
> http://www.vmu-harddrive.com
> go live your dream...
>
> dcbg will not play along as long as i hold the keys
> to the door...
> i know people just love having "site wars" and all s
> orts of other nonsense to pass the time... well, dc
> bg has stood a long time and will stand for a long t
> ime and just gets better and better while the rest d
> rop off the map and/or have little or nothing to off
> er, and i am not messing with how we do things...
>
> i have no desire to fight about any of this OR get a
> ny more emails from people saying "you better get ba
> ck to the dcbg!! curtis is back and he is going to
> delete it!!"...
>
> this is not a general-purpose public forum, this is
> a user group... all those "free speech" issues you
> will undoubtedly want to bitch about do not apply he
> re... here, there is another word for it... "off-t
> opic"...
>
>
> so, i will post all this as a public reply to some p
> ublic statements and as a public reminder about what
> this group tries to stand for and what it tries to
> avoid...
> and all the adults can make up their own minds...
>
>
> insidious_plots...
> http://home.earthlink.net/~insidiousplot
>
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