Hi Kurt,

I played your saved game, and I know what your problem is. You need
to exit the NE corner of the Marsh (the section where you need
Demelza to enter) through a false wall and not the gate you entered
at the northern end, which is what I think you did. You have to find
the false wall in the NE corner first.

Once you go through the false wall of the NE corner, then you can go
through the false wall of the SE corner.

Hope this helped. Email me at cysk@... if you need specific
coordinates.

Good luck,
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: mcampbell14 [mailto:mcampbell14@...]
Sent: 07 July 2004 14:38
To: DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DragonBaneII] return of Kra'an walkthrough help

Hello all,
I'm pleased to be a part of your group.  I'm working my way through
Dragon Bane 2 and have had to use the walkthrough a couple of times. 
When Larry makes reference to different numbers (like X is at (5,15))
I know it is some sort of grid but I don't know how to apply it in
game without an out of game map.  help....someone.

Thanks,
Mark

Hello all,
I'm pleased to be a part of your group.  I'm working my way through
Dragon Bane 2 and have had to use the walkthrough a couple of times. 
When Larry makes reference to different numbers (like X is at (5,15))
I know it is some sort of grid but I don't know how to apply it in
game without an out of game map.  help....someone.

Thanks,
Mark

Hello all,
I'm pleased to be a part of your group.  I'm working my way through
Dragon Bane 2 and have had to use the walkthrough a couple of times.
When Larry makes reference to different numbers (like X is at (5,15))
I know it is some sort of grid but I don't know how to apply it in
game without an out of game map.  help....someone.

Thanks,
Mark

Hi,

You have to have Demelza in your party at this point because you need
the Hamlet key to enter the Hamlet to drop her off.

If you are at the Marsh (25,16) facing south (should be a square with
stones you are standing on), there are the two red marks on the wall
where the false wall is. That should take you south into the
southeast corner.

If you email me your saved game file (Drg2SaveSSPD.pdb) to
cysk@... then I'll be happy to take a look at it for you.

Good luck,
Chris

:>   Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 11:09:34 -0000
:>   From: "cybergidoc" <cysk@...>
:>Subject: Hamlet Key [Demelza] - SPOILER
:>
:>--- In DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com, "Froglips" <froglips@i...> wrote:
:>> Where is the Hamlet key?
:>
:>Hope these help (Chris Kim - cysk)
:>
:>In The Marsh
:>
:>Hint 1:
:>
:>Found this a while back.
:>
:>Hint 2:
:>
:>Yep, found this magic mouth too.  I know where the key is.
:>
:>Hint 3:
False wall will not let me pass.  I have Demelza in my party.  Something I
am missing?

--- In DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com, "eatmorenachos"
<Johnranglejohnrangle@h...> wrote:
> I've been through the same room a million times, but I keep being
> told to 'try again next time' to open the chest. (I'm pretty sure
> that's where the bent key is). I've tried teleporting several times
> and going back through the "three questions" area over and over
> again. Any help?

Hi there,

OK without knowing specifics of where you are, I am assuming you are
in the midst of the Pit Puzzle in the Lairs, as you are looking for
the Bent key.

The easiest way for me to answer this is to copy my notes of the Pit
Puzzle, and have you tell me if this solves your problem, or give me
more specifics.

Good luck,
Chris Kim (cysk)

See my notes below [perhaps MAJOR spoiler]:



















Lair of Pits
...
	 Pit puzzle
		 Magic mouth (6,6): It is very important that you try
everything & go everywhere! Remember the outcome of the race between
the Tortoise & the Hare?
		 Pit (7,5)->(16,13)
			 Take Force field (16,15)->(7,25)
			 Chest (14,23): Patience really is a virtue.
You should try to open this chest the next time you visit here...
			 Push button (12,25) to unlock gateway
			 Take Force field (17,24)->(17,14)
			 Now try to push on wall(17,15): This wall
feels like it will probably move... With a little more effort...
C'mon, put your back into it!
			 Turn around to face north and move one step
forwards and two backwards to south to go through hidden wall
(17,16). Follow path to take Force field at (10,12) after pushing
button at (11,12)->(21,25). Return to Pit Puzzle at (7,6).
		 Pit (7,7)-> Lair of Confusion(13,11)
			 Magic mouth (14,12): 'BEWARE'
			 Take Force Field (16,11)-> Lair of Pits(7,6)
	 Enter Wizard's code at (8,5): BEWARE
		 Go through gate (9,6)
		 Pit (11,5)-> Lair of Confusion (21,12)
			 Magic mouth (20,11): 'KRAAN'
			 Force field (18,12)-> Lair of Pits (7,6)
		 Pit (11,7)-> (18,15)
			 Take Force field (16,15)->(7,25)
			 Chest (14,23): Patience really is a virtue.
You should try to open this chest the next time you visit here...
			 Push button (12,25) to unlock gateway
			 Take Force field (17,24)->(17,14)
			 Now try to push on wall(17,15): This wall
feels like it will probably move... With a little more effort...
C'mon, put your back into it!
			 Turn around to face north and move one step
forwards and two backwards to south to go through hidden wall
(17,16). Follow path to take Force field at (10,12) after pushing
button at (11,12)->(21,25). Return to Pit Puzzle at (11,6) - can go
straight through first gate.
	 Enter Wizard's code at (12,7): KRAAN
		 Go through gate (13,6)
		 Pit (15,5)->(18,13)
			 Take Force field (16,15)->(7,25)
			 Chest (14,23): Get Bent Key
			 Push button (12,25) to unlock gateway
			 Take Force field (17,24)->(17,14)
			 Now try to push on wall(17,15): This wall
feels like it will probably move... With a little more effort...
C'mon, put your back into it!
			 Turn around to face north and move one step
forwards and two backwards to south to go through hidden wall
(17,16). Follow path to take Force field at (10,12) after pushing
button at (11,12)->(21,25). Return to Pit Puzzle at (11,6) - can go
straight through first two gates.
		 Pit (15,7)-> Lair of Confusion (26,11)
			 Magic mouth (25,12): 'LIVES'
			 Force field (23,11)-> Lair of Pits (7,6)
	 Enter Wizard's code at (12,7): LIVES
		 Go through gate (17,6)
	 Use Bent key at (18,5)
	 Get Wizard key at (20,7)
	 Take Force field (6,18)-> Lair of Confusion (9,9)

--- In DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com, "Froglips" <froglips@i...> wrote:
> Where is the Hamlet key?

Hope these help (Chris Kim - cysk)

In The Marsh

Hint 1:

Magic mouth (22,7): ...If you look hard enough, there are ways past
the two eastern walls...


MORE SPOILER below

Hint 2:

Magic mouth (15,20): Visitors to the Hamlet can only enter using the
spare key which is safely hidden away, beyond the wall, in the S.E.
corner.

MORE SPOILER below






















Hint 3:
If you still can't find the Hamlet key:
Go to (25,16) and take false wall south to SE corner.
Get Hamlet key from (23,25)

I've been through the same room a million times, but I keep being
told to 'try again next time' to open the chest. (I'm pretty sure
that's where the bent key is). I've tried teleporting several times
and going back through the "three questions" area over and over
again. Any help?

THANK YOU!


--- In DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com, "cybergidoc" <cysk@a...> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> We have a problem with mixing up the scenarios. Craig was referring
> to Return of Kra'an, while I believe eatmornachos (John Rangle) was
> referring to Princess Demelza.
>
> I know eatmorenachos is playing Demelza {PLEASE put [Demelza]
> somewhere in the subject line to avoid confusion.
>
> The answer is you are looking for Jeret to identify your exotic
> items. You are correct in that he is in the Grove Fun Fair
[remember
> you can only enter during the first two weekends of the month!]. I
> don't recall, but until you have an exotic unidentified item, Jeret
> may not appear. Anyhow, he is located at (42,30) in the Grove Fun
> Fair.
>
> Please acknowledge if this helps. Thanks.
>
> Good luck,
> Chris Kim
>
>
>
> --- In DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com, "eatmorenachos"
> <Johnranglejohnrangle@h...> wrote:
> > could you be a little more specific? I've been all over the map.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com, craig davis <crd@p...> wrote:
> > > This IS someone other than Helix. Look south center on your
main
> > map (give or take).
> > >
> > > eatmorenachos <Johnranglejohnrangle@h...> wrote:I found some
sort
> > of a sword but can't identify it. I've seen
> > > postings referring to some guy in hut; is this someone other
than
> > > Helix? If so, any idea where I can find this person? Didn't
find
> > > anyone at the fairgrounds who could do this.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Sothwest corner of the map, maze type area, northeast corner of that area.
MalKiE

-----Original Message-----
From: eatmorenachos [mailto:Johnranglejohnrangle@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 2:41 PM
To: DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DragonBaneII] Unidentified item


I found some sort of a sword but can't identify it. I've seen
postings referring to some guy in hut; is this someone other than
Helix? If so, any idea where I can find this person? Didn't find
anyone at the fairgrounds who could do this.







Yahoo! Groups Links

Where is the Hamlet key?

Hi John,

That is a very useful tip for both RTK and Demelza. HOWEVER, note
that during middle portions of Demelza, the inns will be boarded up
(unavailable), so you would not be able to access your characters
then. The inns reopen later in the game.

I am going through the game slowly a second time to correct my
walkthrough to see if I can identify what events trigger these
events. I think returning Demelza to the King initially closes the
inns (or may reopen them). Simon likely can give the correct sequence
for this.

Cheers,
Chris Kim

--- In DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com, "eatmorenachos"
<Johnranglejohnrangle@h...> wrote:
> I found a way to store items that you may want or need in the
future.
> Just check one of your party into a hotel, then check out an unused
> character from the same hotel, load them up with your excess armor,
> fruit or whatever, check them back into the hotel and retrieve the
> character you're using.

Hi,

We have a problem with mixing up the scenarios. Craig was referring
to Return of Kra'an, while I believe eatmornachos (John Rangle) was
referring to Princess Demelza.

I know eatmorenachos is playing Demelza {PLEASE put [Demelza]
somewhere in the subject line to avoid confusion.

The answer is you are looking for Jeret to identify your exotic
items. You are correct in that he is in the Grove Fun Fair [remember
you can only enter during the first two weekends of the month!]. I
don't recall, but until you have an exotic unidentified item, Jeret
may not appear. Anyhow, he is located at (42,30) in the Grove Fun
Fair.

Please acknowledge if this helps. Thanks.

Good luck,
Chris Kim



--- In DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com, "eatmorenachos"
<Johnranglejohnrangle@h...> wrote:
> could you be a little more specific? I've been all over the map.
>
>
>
> --- In DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com, craig davis <crd@p...> wrote:
> > This IS someone other than Helix. Look south center on your main
> map (give or take).
> >
> > eatmorenachos <Johnranglejohnrangle@h...> wrote:I found some sort
> of a sword but can't identify it. I've seen
> > postings referring to some guy in hut; is this someone other than
> > Helix? If so, any idea where I can find this person? Didn't find
> > anyone at the fairgrounds who could do this.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT
> >
> >
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> >
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> > DragonBaneII-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
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> Service.

could you be a little more specific? I've been all over the map.



--- In DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com, craig davis <crd@p...> wrote:
> This IS someone other than Helix. Look south center on your main
map (give or take).
>
> eatmorenachos <Johnranglejohnrangle@h...> wrote:I found some sort
of a sword but can't identify it. I've seen
> postings referring to some guy in hut; is this someone other than
> Helix? If so, any idea where I can find this person? Didn't find
> anyone at the fairgrounds who could do this.
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>    To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DragonBaneII/
>
>    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> DragonBaneII-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>    Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.

I found a way to store items that you may want or need in the future.
Just check one of your party into a hotel, then check out an unused
character from the same hotel, load them up with your excess armor,
fruit or whatever, check them back into the hotel and retrieve the
character you're using.

I found some sort of a sword but can't identify it. I've seen
postings referring to some guy in hut; is this someone other than
Helix? If so, any idea where I can find this person? Didn't find
anyone at the fairgrounds who could do this.

Hi,

There is no glitch. The trick is that you have to use the fewest
moves to get to the locked gate.

Push the button in the wall. Remember turning around counts as a
move, so you will need to SLIDE SIDEWAYS without turning the group.
Use the overhead map for help (that doesn't count as a turn). That
should get you to the gate in time for it to be unlocked.

Good luck,
Chris Kim (cysk)

--- In DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com, "Ashandrow" <ashandrow@y...>
wrote:
> For some reason I can not get through the locked gate.  I pushed
the
> button, found the secert passage, but everytime I get to the gate
it
> is still locked.
>
> Glitch? Wrong characters?  What gives.  Any ideas?
>
> Would appricate any help.

Hi,

You need the weird sphere to continue in the puzzle in Kra'an's Lair
1. You need this for the "Use what you found" portal and "Hope you
have what you need" portal.

See Larry Fluckinger's excellent walkthrough - search for message
1674 in this forum.

Good luck,
Chris Kim (Cysk)

--- In DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com, "jrecto99" <jrecto99@y...> wrote:
> Does anybody know what the weird sphere is for?
>
> Thanks,
> Jasper

For some reason I can not get through the locked gate.  I pushed the
button, found the secert passage, but everytime I get to the gate it
is still locked.

Glitch? Wrong characters?  What gives.  Any ideas?

Would appricate any help.

Does anybody know what the weird sphere is for?

Thanks,
Jasper

Hi,

I am working on revising my complete walkthrough of Demelza and am
just starting out again. Simon had corrected some typos, and I am
rechecking the revisions.

This was one of the things in town that needed revising in my
walkthrough. According to my notes, I think what you are looking for
is at (6,23), but I am not yet where you are to confirm. Let me know
if this helps or not - I don't remember exactly the details about the
Western gate - Simon probably could fill in this information.

Good luck on a great and LONG adventure!
Chris Kim (cysk)

--- In DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com, "eatmorenachos"
<Johnranglejohnrangle@h...> wrote:
> So I'm supposed to look for a message on a wall near the "western
> gate." Where in the world is the "western gate?" I can't see any
> gates on the west side of town.

So I'm supposed to look for a message on a wall near the "western
gate." Where in the world is the "western gate?" I can't see any
gates on the west side of town.

Still stuck on the Island.  I simply can not figure out how to get into the
center of the fortress NOR can I figure out how to return past the One Way
tree.

Froggie

Just wondering, having finished both awesome adventures thus far!
Hopefully, it won't be too long before we have a new one.  To your
knowledge, is anyone working on one?  Nancy in Texas

You need to talk with the barkeep, who will ask for the word. The
word is on one of the walls.

See post 1076 for Larry Fluckinger's walkthrough, which will give you
more hints as needed.

Good luck!

Cheers,
Chris Kim (cysk)



--- In DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com, "finalfreaquency"
<finalfreaquency@y...> wrote:
> I know, I know, this m9ight make me seem like a total loser, but
what
> else can I do?  I need help.  What do I do in the Lonely Spirits
> tavern?  I'm sure someone can help.

I know, I know, this m9ight make me seem like a total loser, but what
else can I do?  I need help.  What do I do in the Lonely Spirits
tavern?  I'm sure someone can help.