I'm new to this forum and am wondering if there has been any new
adventures since Princess Dezelma or if any adventures are coming out
soon.

Fast is not the issue. It is number of moves. Turns count as moves. Try moving without turning.

Craig

 "steve19410 <steve19410@...>" <steve19410@...> wrote:

I'm at the moving wall problem in lord's lair 1.

I found the secret passageway through the wall at (14,17) but no
matter how fast I go I can't get to the gate before it locks again,
Am I doing something wrong??? do I need to press the button for a
long period of time??? very confused... help please.

Thanks Steve


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Cool -- the hex editing trick worked. Thanks!

-b


--- In DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com, "Gabe Dalbec" <gabe@m...> wrote:
>
> You can fully specify characters with the ACK, but because we don't
provide
> the maps in Return of Kra'an, you can't rebuild the original
adventure.
>
> I think there is a "hack" save game editor for Dragon Bane - search
for
> "dragon bane" on palmgear.com.  It might let you change the name.
Also, you
> could very carefully use a binary editor on your save game (make a
backup)
> and change the name there.
>
> -Gabe
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <bkarsh@a...>
> To: <DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 8:48 AM
> Subject: [DragonBaneII] Re: Is there a way to create your own
characters?
>
>
> >
> > Thanks for the in-depth reply Simon. One silly question -- can you
> > use the ACK to edit characters in the original Dragon Bane game? I
> > know the name thing is a minor point, but I really hat the name
> > Caleb -- but I like his stats. :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com, Simon Jacobs
<simon_jacobs@a...>
> > wrote:
> > > Through the use of various objects, specialized weapons,
jewelry,
> > fruits and
> > > different level and armoring capabilities you are able to
greatly
> > vary the
> > > attributes of your characters, thereby greatly impacting on
their
> > own
> > > personal attributes. So arguably each predefined character in
each
> > of the
> > > predefined classes has far greater 'personalization'
capabilities
> > that a lot
> > > of those other RPGs that seem to allow "Character creation". (In
> > reality,
> > > they give you very limited attribute control but trick you by
> > letting you
> > > choose the sex & a name etc.)
> > >
> > > In this same vein, Dragon Bane does not do any automatic /
random
> > map
> > > creation either. Because of the complexity & variety in the
maps and
> > > adventures, these maps all have to be intricately planned and
hand
> > designed.
> > > Again, it seems like less flexibility but provides a far
superior
> > game.
> > >
> > > To this effect, if you still want to create your own adventures
and
> > > characters you need to investigate the free adventure
construction
> > kit (ACK)
> > > available from Mythological. But a lot of work and dedication is
> > required.
> > > (Princess Demelza took me 600 hours and that was with existing
> > characters /
> > > wall & tile files!)
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Simon Jacobs
> > > Princess Demelza Author.
> > > _________________________________________________
> > >
> > >  -----Original Message-----
> > > From: bkarsh123 <bkarsh@a...> [mailto:bkarsh@a...]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 25 February 2003 01:59
> > > To: DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [DragonBaneII] Is there a way to create your own
> > characters?
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > I've been playing Dragon Bane II for a while now, and it is a
great
> > > game! However, there doesn't seem to be an option to create your
> > own
> > > character like in Bard's Tale, or many other RPG's. Am I simply
> > > missing something, or was there a reason this wasn't
implemented?
> > >
> > > Lastly, if there is no way to create custom characters in the
game,
> > > can you use any game editors to edit existing characters? Part
of
> > the
> > > fun for me with RPG's is making my own folks -- adds to the
> > > experience.
> > >
> > > Any tips would be appreciated
> > >
> > >
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You can fully specify characters with the ACK, but because we don't provide
the maps in Return of Kra'an, you can't rebuild the original adventure.

I think there is a "hack" save game editor for Dragon Bane - search for
"dragon bane" on palmgear.com.  It might let you change the name.  Also, you
could very carefully use a binary editor on your save game (make a backup)
and change the name there.

-Gabe

----- Original Message -----
From: <bkarsh@...>
To: <DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 8:48 AM
Subject: [DragonBaneII] Re: Is there a way to create your own characters?


>
> Thanks for the in-depth reply Simon. One silly question -- can you
> use the ACK to edit characters in the original Dragon Bane game? I
> know the name thing is a minor point, but I really hat the name
> Caleb -- but I like his stats. :)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com, Simon Jacobs <simon_jacobs@a...>
> wrote:
> > Through the use of various objects, specialized weapons, jewelry,
> fruits and
> > different level and armoring capabilities you are able to greatly
> vary the
> > attributes of your characters, thereby greatly impacting on their
> own
> > personal attributes. So arguably each predefined character in each
> of the
> > predefined classes has far greater 'personalization' capabilities
> that a lot
> > of those other RPGs that seem to allow "Character creation". (In
> reality,
> > they give you very limited attribute control but trick you by
> letting you
> > choose the sex & a name etc.)
> >
> > In this same vein, Dragon Bane does not do any automatic / random
> map
> > creation either. Because of the complexity & variety in the maps and
> > adventures, these maps all have to be intricately planned and hand
> designed.
> > Again, it seems like less flexibility but provides a far superior
> game.
> >
> > To this effect, if you still want to create your own adventures and
> > characters you need to investigate the free adventure construction
> kit (ACK)
> > available from Mythological. But a lot of work and dedication is
> required.
> > (Princess Demelza took me 600 hours and that was with existing
> characters /
> > wall & tile files!)
> >
> > Regards,
> > Simon Jacobs
> > Princess Demelza Author.
> > _________________________________________________
> >
> >  -----Original Message-----
> > From: bkarsh123 <bkarsh@a...> [mailto:bkarsh@a...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, 25 February 2003 01:59
> > To: DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [DragonBaneII] Is there a way to create your own
> characters?
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I've been playing Dragon Bane II for a while now, and it is a great
> > game! However, there doesn't seem to be an option to create your
> own
> > character like in Bard's Tale, or many other RPG's. Am I simply
> > missing something, or was there a reason this wasn't implemented?
> >
> > Lastly, if there is no way to create custom characters in the game,
> > can you use any game editors to edit existing characters? Part of
> the
> > fun for me with RPG's is making my own folks -- adds to the
> > experience.
> >
> > Any tips would be appreciated
> >
> >
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> > DragonBaneII-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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> >
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Thanks for the in-depth reply Simon. One silly question -- can you
use the ACK to edit characters in the original Dragon Bane game? I
know the name thing is a minor point, but I really hat the name
Caleb -- but I like his stats. :)






--- In DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com, Simon Jacobs <simon_jacobs@a...>
wrote:
> Through the use of various objects, specialized weapons, jewelry,
fruits and
> different level and armoring capabilities you are able to greatly
vary the
> attributes of your characters, thereby greatly impacting on their
own
> personal attributes. So arguably each predefined character in each
of the
> predefined classes has far greater 'personalization' capabilities
that a lot
> of those other RPGs that seem to allow "Character creation". (In
reality,
> they give you very limited attribute control but trick you by
letting you
> choose the sex & a name etc.)
>
> In this same vein, Dragon Bane does not do any automatic / random
map
> creation either. Because of the complexity & variety in the maps and
> adventures, these maps all have to be intricately planned and hand
designed.
> Again, it seems like less flexibility but provides a far superior
game.
>
> To this effect, if you still want to create your own adventures and
> characters you need to investigate the free adventure construction
kit (ACK)
> available from Mythological. But a lot of work and dedication is
required.
> (Princess Demelza took me 600 hours and that was with existing
characters /
> wall & tile files!)
>
> Regards,
> Simon Jacobs
> Princess Demelza Author.
> _________________________________________________
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From:  bkarsh123 <bkarsh@a...> [mailto:bkarsh@a...]
> Sent: Tuesday, 25 February 2003 01:59
> To: DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [DragonBaneII] Is there a way to create your own
characters?
>
> Hi All,
>
> I've been playing Dragon Bane II for a while now, and it is a great
> game! However, there doesn't seem to be an option to create your
own
> character like in Bard's Tale, or many other RPG's. Am I simply
> missing something, or was there a reason this wasn't implemented?
>
> Lastly, if there is no way to create custom characters in the game,
> can you use any game editors to edit existing characters? Part of
the
> fun for me with RPG's is making my own folks -- adds to the
> experience.
>
> Any tips would be appreciated
>
>
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Hi Steve,

I haven't done this in a while. I think the solution to this is to remember
that turning your party around counts as a move (looking at map view does
not I think). Therefore, you need to learn to move sideways (and perhaps
backwards) without turning your party around.

It is not a matter of how fast you tap your moves. Hope this helps.

Cheers,
Chris Kim

----- Original Message -----
From: <steve19410@...>
To: <DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 02:18
Subject: [DragonBaneII] need help please... very confused


> I'm at the moving wall problem in lord's lair 1.
>
> I found the secret passageway through the wall at (14,17) but no
> matter how fast I go I can't get to the gate before it locks again,
> Am I doing something wrong??? do I need to press the button for a
> long period of time???  very confused... help please.
>
> Thanks Steve
>
>
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>

I'm at the moving wall problem in lord's lair 1.

I found the secret passageway through the wall at (14,17) but no
matter how fast I go I can't get to the gate before it locks again,
Am I doing something wrong??? do I need to press the button for a
long period of time???  very confused... help please.

Thanks Steve

Hello Mike.

I am a little confused at this point. The torch in the cursed crypt at 5,4
is a one way walk thru wall. The wall at 4,5 is a normal wall with a sewer
grate at the bottom.

There should be no problem. What you will need to do is send me your saved
game and I will investigate it for you straight away.

Your saved game file is found in your palm back up directory called
"Drg2saveSSPD.PDB". I can then run it through the emulator & try & reproduce
the same error. Preferably you will also have a saved game in one of the
slots that occurred just before you tried to walk through this wall. If so,
let me know which slot & the label given.

Regards,
Simon Jacobs
Princess Demelza Author.
_________________________________________________

  -----Original Message-----
From:  Michael P. Quinn <mikepq@...> [mailto:mikepq@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 25 February 2003 07:48
To: DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DragonBaneII] Re: Can not find the Princess in the Crypt.

Can Somebody help me again?
I found the area in the The Cursed Crypt at 5,4 with the false torch
holder, I clicked on it but nothing happened! What did I do wrong? I
went looking for button on the wall to push but didn't find a thing.
So, I thought that I missed something and went back the beginning and
through the field, when I went down the first corrider again the
false torch holder was at 4,5! I tried to click that but nothing
happened again!!! What to do????

Regards,
Mike Quinn

--- In DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com, Simon Jacobs <simon_jacobs@a...>
wrote:
> When you say you are in the last area of the last crypt, I assume
you mean
> The Cursed Crypt and also assume you found the entrance through the
false
> torch into the "anti-chamber" at 5,4. Once in this area all should
become
> apparent...
>
> Regards,
> Simon Jacobs
> Princess Demelza Author.
> _________________________________________________
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From:  Michael P. Quinn <mikepq@y...> [mailto:mikepq@y...]
> Sent: Wednesday, 19 February 2003 08:00
> To: DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [DragonBaneII] Can not find the Princess in the Crypt.
>
> I have finished the crypt and I am in the last area. the last room
> has afield but when entering the room, there is rumble at the
> enterence. Does this rumble change the out come of the field as to
> where is sends you? And I can not get it to return to the orginial
> setting. I feel that the princess is behind the irregular wall on
the
> east, Am I right? I have no other keys and do not know where to go
> next...?
>
>
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Through the use of various objects, specialized weapons, jewelry, fruits and
different level and armoring capabilities you are able to greatly vary the
attributes of your characters, thereby greatly impacting on their own
personal attributes. So arguably each predefined character in each of the
predefined classes has far greater 'personalization' capabilities that a lot
of those other RPGs that seem to allow "Character creation". (In reality,
they give you very limited attribute control but trick you by letting you
choose the sex & a name etc.)

In this same vein, Dragon Bane does not do any automatic / random map
creation either. Because of the complexity & variety in the maps and
adventures, these maps all have to be intricately planned and hand designed.
Again, it seems like less flexibility but provides a far superior game.

To this effect, if you still want to create your own adventures and
characters you need to investigate the free adventure construction kit (ACK)
available from Mythological. But a lot of work and dedication is required.
(Princess Demelza took me 600 hours and that was with existing characters /
wall & tile files!)

Regards,
Simon Jacobs
Princess Demelza Author.
_________________________________________________

  -----Original Message-----
From:  bkarsh123 <bkarsh@...> [mailto:bkarsh@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 25 February 2003 01:59
To: DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DragonBaneII] Is there a way to create your own characters?

Hi All,

I've been playing Dragon Bane II for a while now, and it is a great
game! However, there doesn't seem to be an option to create your own
character like in Bard's Tale, or many other RPG's. Am I simply
missing something, or was there a reason this wasn't implemented?

Lastly, if there is no way to create custom characters in the game,
can you use any game editors to edit existing characters? Part of the
fun for me with RPG's is making my own folks -- adds to the
experience.

Any tips would be appreciated


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Can Somebody help me again?
I found the area in the The Cursed Crypt at 5,4 with the false torch
holder, I clicked on it but nothing happened! What did I do wrong? I
went looking for button on the wall to push but didn't find a thing.
So, I thought that I missed something and went back the beginning and
through the field, when I went down the first corrider again the
false torch holder was at 4,5! I tried to click that but nothing
happened again!!! What to do????

Regards,
Mike Quinn

--- In DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com, Simon Jacobs <simon_jacobs@a...>
wrote:
> When you say you are in the last area of the last crypt, I assume
you mean
> The Cursed Crypt and also assume you found the entrance through the
false
> torch into the "anti-chamber" at 5,4. Once in this area all should
become
> apparent...
>
> Regards,
> Simon Jacobs
> Princess Demelza Author.
> _________________________________________________
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From:  Michael P. Quinn <mikepq@y...> [mailto:mikepq@y...]
> Sent: Wednesday, 19 February 2003 08:00
> To: DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [DragonBaneII] Can not find the Princess in the Crypt.
>
> I have finished the crypt and I am in the last area. the last room
> has afield but when entering the room, there is rumble at the
> enterence. Does this rumble change the out come of the field as to
> where is sends you? And I can not get it to return to the orginial
> setting. I feel that the princess is behind the irregular wall on
the
> east, Am I right? I have no other keys and do not know where to go
> next...?
>
>
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Hi All,

I've been playing Dragon Bane II for a while now, and it is a great
game! However, there doesn't seem to be an option to create your own
character like in Bard's Tale, or many other RPG's. Am I simply
missing something, or was there a reason this wasn't implemented?

Lastly, if there is no way to create custom characters in the game,
can you use any game editors to edit existing characters? Part of the
fun for me with RPG's is making my own folks -- adds to the
experience.

Any tips would be appreciated

-----Original Message-----
From: darrylka@... [mailto:darrylka@...]
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 9:08 PM
To: DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DragonBaneII] Demelza Walkthrough

As I understand it, no one has created a complete walkthrough for Demelza yet.  Is that correct?

If someone has, where is it.  I thought I'd find it in the forum in the messages section or in the files section, but...nothing.


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As I understand it, no one has created a complete walkthrough for Demelza yet. 
Is that correct?

If someone has, where is it.  I thought I'd find it in the forum in the messages
section or in the files section, but...nothing.

-----Original Message-----
From: Lance Hurt [mailto:unityworks@...]
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 8:11 AM
To: DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [DragonBaneII] Anyone seen a "JEWEL2" ?
Importance: High

Jason,

 

Oh, I forgot to answer the rest of your question.

 

I think the jewel2 appeared in the first character’s inventory, usually Caleb in my party. I don’t know if it would have replaced another item since I always kept a slot open in at least one character’s inventory. I got rid of it by going to one of the Innes and giving to an unused character. It seems like I had two or three of the jewel2’s showing up in each game. Don’t know the answers to the rest of your questions but I’ll run through DB2 again and try to pin down the answers to your questions.

 

Lance Hurt

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Lance Hurt [mailto:unityworks@...]
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 8:10 AM
To: DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [DragonBaneII] Anyone seen a "JEWEL2" ?

 

Jason,

 

I actually got Jewel2 several times while playing DB2 but only after I had installed Demelza. I didn’t figure out what my characters were doing just before I got the jewel, however.

 

I thought I had seen some other messages about jewel2 besides the two you mention. Seems like Simon Jacob responded after my message.

 

Lance Hurt

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Freund <freund@...> [mailto:freund@...]
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 12:12 AM
To: DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DragonBaneII] Anyone seen a "JEWEL2" ?

 

Hi,

We're trying to track down what we believe to be a very rare bug in
the engine.  It seems benign -- someone in your party gets a
useless "JEWEL2" item that they cannot drop.  However it could be
dangerous if it is replacing something important (like a key) in your
inventory.

To our knowledge, reading this forum, it's only happened twice --
both while playing Return of Kraan. For details on those two cases,
see:
- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DragonBaneII/message/1713
- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DragonBaneII/message/1927

So we'd like to know if anyone else has seen a JEWEL2 item, and more
importantly, if you have, please try to help us determine how you got
it.  If you can either include or disclude any possibilities such as
trading it from someone in a hut, buying it in a shop, finding it in
a treasure chest, winning it after combat, or some other means, that
would be helpful.  If not, then try to at least remember what phase
of the game you were at -- what was the most recent level you visited
when you first noticed the jewel?  What position in your character's
inventory did it appear in?  Which character position in your party
had the item, etc?

Thanks
MythoLogical

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Hi,

We're trying to track down what we believe to be a very rare bug in
the engine.  It seems benign -- someone in your party gets a
useless "JEWEL2" item that they cannot drop.  However it could be
dangerous if it is replacing something important (like a key) in your
inventory.

To our knowledge, reading this forum, it's only happened twice --
both while playing Return of Kraan. For details on those two cases,
see:
- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DragonBaneII/message/1713
- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DragonBaneII/message/1927

So we'd like to know if anyone else has seen a JEWEL2 item, and more
importantly, if you have, please try to help us determine how you got
it.  If you can either include or disclude any possibilities such as
trading it from someone in a hut, buying it in a shop, finding it in
a treasure chest, winning it after combat, or some other means, that
would be helpful.  If not, then try to at least remember what phase
of the game you were at -- what was the most recent level you visited
when you first noticed the jewel?  What position in your character's
inventory did it appear in?  Which character position in your party
had the item, etc?

Thanks
MythoLogical

Dear Craig,

I think you are correct in the fact that RESIST FIRE is not needed to
win the final battle in "Return of Kra'an" (MSRK) or to fight
GUARDIANs.  TechnoMagic U. also has many encounters with fire
creatures.  Most of the time when I fight them, I do not use RESIST
FIRE.  For game balance the spell RESIST FIRE can be left the same or
changed.

However, I think that RESIST FIRE should affect only one character.
Casting IQTAR'S MAGIC COAT already gives the entire party AC -4, +20%
fire resistance, +15% magic resistance for an inexpensive 16 spell
points.  RESIST FIRE costs 4 spell points for just a +50% fire
resistance for one party member, however +50% is more than the +20%
given by IQTAR'S MAGIC COAT.  In my opinion, changing RESIST FIRE to
match the manual just makes it an inferior version of IQTAR'S MAGIC
COAT.  Better to leave it as it is, a different tactic someone can
use, and just change the manual.

Sincerely yours,
NEFTF


--- In DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com, wizardz <wizardz@y...> wrote:
>
> Kra'an is survivable without throwing the resistance spell -- I
have never cast it during the "final" battle. Therefore, I say you
can change it to affect the whole party at a lower level without
making the game impossible to win.
> Craig

-----Original Message-----
From: neftf <Cyb0Au0Dragon215@...> [mailto:Cyb0Au0Dragon215@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 5:28 PM
To: DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DragonBaneII] Fix manual not spell or Re: Resist fire/magic

Dear Jason,

If a party cannot survive 5 combat turns to cast RESIST FIRE on every
party member, it is unlikely to survive 5 turns of battle even with a
RESIST FIRE PARTY spell that gives every party member the same effect
in one casting (Note 1).

The ARMOR_ALL spells already grant the entire party an AC adjustment,
resist fire adjustment, and resist magic adjustment.  Adventure
designers who want such a spell can simply create a spell RESIST FIRE
PARTY, that has AC adjustment zero, fire resistance 50% and magic
resistance zero, then do the same for RESIST MAGIC PARTY.

Sincerely yours,
NEFTF

Note 1) When replaying "Return of Kra'an" (MSRK) recently I was using
a party of 5 characters including POE.  Since POE's healing spells
are so powerful, he can usually save any party member as long as he
is alive.  So each time I discovered a potion that increased hit
points, fire resistance, magic resistance or improved AC, I gave it
to POE.  In the end he had more hit points than anyone.  Before this
strategy, I would sometimes have to restart because POE would be
killed by a monster ranged attack during a difficult combat.  Without
POE's healing spells, the difficult monsters would overcome the rest
of the party.  This is especially common during GUARDIAN encounters.

--- In DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Freund <freund@m...>"
<freund@m...> wrote:
>
> There's a discrepency in the manual (pointed out by a user) that
> resist fire/magic currently targets an individual (+50% resistance
> for rest of combat encounter), but the manual says it targets the
> whole party.
>
> We are thinking about fixing it in the code to work the way the
> manual describes it, just because the armor spells all affect the
> party. 
>
> But we're concerned about play balancing, especially for the Kra'an
> battle.  We definately think it would be unfair to give the entire
> party +50% fire resistance with one spell cast.  But we're
concerned
> that if we lowered it to something like +20% for the entire party,
> then the kra'an battle might not be ("acceptably") survivable.
>
> The spell does not stack, so casting it again would have no
effect. 
>
> Should we keep the spell the same and require you to cast it for
> every party member, but allow you to get the huge fire/magic
> resistance bonus that way?  Or should we save your party from
having
> to waste turns and SP by re-casting it for every target, but lower
> it's effectiveness for each individual?
>
> For compatibility reasons, we can't have it both ways, that is,
offer
> one or more spells that just target an individual, and one or
several
> more that target the party.
>
> Jason



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Dear Forum,

An ARMOR_ALL spell is any of the following in "Return of Kra'an":

##  "NAME"                         SpellType      value fire magic
12  "MYSTICAL ARMOR"               armor_all        1    5     5
13  "AURA OF FORTUNE"              armor_all        2   10    10
14  "KAELAN'S BLESSING"            armor_all        3   15    15
15  "IQTAR'S MAGIC COAT"           armor_all        4   20    15
16  "INVISIBILITY"                 armor_all        5    0    20

Sincerely yours,
NEFTF

--- In DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com, "neftf <Cyb0Au0Dragon215@A...>"
<Cyb0Au0Dragon215@A...> wrote:
> The ARMOR_ALL spells already grant the entire party an AC
adjustment,
> resist fire adjustment, and resist magic adjustment.  Adventure
> designers who want such a spell can simply create a spell RESIST
FIRE
> PARTY, that has AC adjustment zero, fire resistance 50% and magic
> resistance zero, then do the same for RESIST MAGIC PARTY.
>
> Sincerely yours,
> NEFTF

Dear Jason,

If a party cannot survive 5 combat turns to cast RESIST FIRE on every
party member, it is unlikely to survive 5 turns of battle even with a
RESIST FIRE PARTY spell that gives every party member the same effect
in one casting (Note 1).

The ARMOR_ALL spells already grant the entire party an AC adjustment,
resist fire adjustment, and resist magic adjustment.  Adventure
designers who want such a spell can simply create a spell RESIST FIRE
PARTY, that has AC adjustment zero, fire resistance 50% and magic
resistance zero, then do the same for RESIST MAGIC PARTY.

Sincerely yours,
NEFTF

Note 1) When replaying "Return of Kra'an" (MSRK) recently I was using
a party of 5 characters including POE.  Since POE's healing spells
are so powerful, he can usually save any party member as long as he
is alive.  So each time I discovered a potion that increased hit
points, fire resistance, magic resistance or improved AC, I gave it
to POE.  In the end he had more hit points than anyone.  Before this
strategy, I would sometimes have to restart because POE would be
killed by a monster ranged attack during a difficult combat.  Without
POE's healing spells, the difficult monsters would overcome the rest
of the party.  This is especially common during GUARDIAN encounters.

--- In DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Freund <freund@m...>"
<freund@m...> wrote:
>
> There's a discrepency in the manual (pointed out by a user) that
> resist fire/magic currently targets an individual (+50% resistance
> for rest of combat encounter), but the manual says it targets the
> whole party.
>
> We are thinking about fixing it in the code to work the way the
> manual describes it, just because the armor spells all affect the
> party.
>
> But we're concerned about play balancing, especially for the Kra'an
> battle.  We definately think it would be unfair to give the entire
> party +50% fire resistance with one spell cast.  But we're
concerned
> that if we lowered it to something like +20% for the entire party,
> then the kra'an battle might not be ("acceptably") survivable.
>
> The spell does not stack, so casting it again would have no
effect.
>
> Should we keep the spell the same and require you to cast it for
> every party member, but allow you to get the huge fire/magic
> resistance bonus that way?  Or should we save your party from
having
> to waste turns and SP by re-casting it for every target, but lower
> it's effectiveness for each individual?
>
> For compatibility reasons, we can't have it both ways, that is,
offer
> one or more spells that just target an individual, and one or
several
> more that target the party.
>
> Jason

Certain objects can only be identified in a hut at the fairgrounds, however
there is no separate 'independent' valuer of such objects, sorry...

Regards,
Simon Jacobs
Princess Demelza Author.
_________________________________________________

  -----Original Message-----
From:  andreas_lofstedt <andreas@...>
[mailto:andreas@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 18 February 2003 17:43
To: DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DragonBaneII] Identifying necklace etc. in Princess Demelza

Where can I identify necklaces/portions etc. in Demelza?
(I don't want to pay 250 per portion at a shop)

In Return of Kra'an there was another place than the shop
where it was a lot cheaper.




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When you say you are in the last area of the last crypt, I assume you mean
The Cursed Crypt and also assume you found the entrance through the false
torch into the "anti-chamber" at 5,4. Once in this area all should become
apparent...

Regards,
Simon Jacobs
Princess Demelza Author.
_________________________________________________

  -----Original Message-----
From:  Michael P. Quinn <mikepq@...> [mailto:mikepq@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 19 February 2003 08:00
To: DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [DragonBaneII] Can not find the Princess in the Crypt.

I have finished the crypt and I am in the last area. the last room
has afield but when entering the room, there is rumble at the
enterence. Does this rumble change the out come of the field as to
where is sends you? And I can not get it to return to the orginial
setting. I feel that the princess is behind the irregular wall on the
east, Am I right? I have no other keys and do not know where to go
next...?


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I have finished the crypt and I am in the last area. the last room
has afield but when entering the room, there is rumble at the
enterence. Does this rumble change the out come of the field as to
where is sends you? And I can not get it to return to the orginial
setting. I feel that the princess is behind the irregular wall on the
east, Am I right? I have no other keys and do not know where to go
next...?

Where can I identify necklaces/portions etc. in Demelza?
(I don't want to pay 250 per portion at a shop)

In Return of Kra'an there was another place than the shop
where it was a lot cheaper.

You can do it at 14 (maybe less) with the right party and a lot of patience.
Or you can do it trivially at 22 (or higher) without even having to heal
during the battle. Most find it a reasonable challenge at 18. YMMV.

----- Original Message -----
From: <sky11432@...>
To: <DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 2:12 PM
Subject: [DragonBaneII] battle against Kra'an


> What level do u think I have to be to battle Kra'an?
> I just want to be ahead of the game, so i can easily defect him.
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What level do u think I have to be to battle Kra'an?
I just want to be ahead of the game, so i can easily defect him.

Kra'an is survivable without throwing the resistance spell -- I have never cast it during the "final" battle. Therefore, I say you can change it to affect the whole party at a lower level without making the game impossible to win.

Craig

 "Jason Freund <freund@...>" <freund@...> wrote:

There's a discrepency in the manual (pointed out by a user) that
resist fire/magic currently targets an individual (+50% resistance
for rest of combat encounter), but the manual says it targets the
whole party.

We are thinking about fixing it in the code to work the way the
manual describes it, just because the armor spells all affect the
party.

But we're concerned about play balancing, especially for the Kra'an
battle. We definately think it would be unfair to give the entire
party +50% fire resistance with one spell cast. But we're concerned
that if we lowered it to something like +20% for the entire party,
then the kra'an battle might not be ("acceptably") survivable.

The spell does not stack, so casting it again would have no effect.

Should we keep the spell the same and require you to cast it for
every party member, but allow you to get the huge fire/magic
resistance bonus that way? Or should we save your party from having
to waste turns and SP by re-casting it for every target, but lower
it's effectiveness for each individual?

For compatibility reasons, we can't have it both ways, that is, offer
one or more spells that just target an individual, and one or several
more that target the party.

Jason



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