I'm stuck at the part in Crypt #3 where it says something
about "...only a blind man can find..."  It's where I'm supposed to
get the skull.

#1. I have made sure any light or owl eye spell has worn off (except
the moving eyeball, which never goes away under any circumstances
[Greater Revelation?])

#2. I have unequipped everything on every character.  The screen
looks mostly dark.

Could this have anything to do with the fact that:

A:  I explored this area with a light spell on initially?

B:  The eyeball never leaves my dungeon view since I've started the
game?

C:  A first dungeon attack (level 1) or something caused my
Necromancer to get 6400 spell points (now down to 5800)?

If B, how do I remove that swinging eyeball icon?

PS, if I cast a spell which gains my Necromancer spell points, he
looses all that wonderful cache.

PPSS, note to programmers, a feature to be able to save or exit the
game in the middle of melee would be a nice feature for those of us
that get interrupted frequently.

Thanks,
Byron.

Caleb is in the #1 spot and the spears were equipped.  The other guy
is in #2 spot, he has one jewel.

They had 6 or more items and they were the long spears.

Also, my character names, the theif's name now begins and ends with
a square box in place of the charcters.  Also, the Necromancer's
first letter is now a box.




--- In DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com, "Jason Freund" <freund@m...>
wrote:
> --- In DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com, "Byron" <racercub68@y...>
wrote:
> > Caleb has 2 of the Jewels, and Tessor has 1 or 2.  I think it
may
> > have to do with the part of the Lords Lair #2, when it says
> > something about you feel lighter.  Anyway, it took me a while to
> get
> > past this part, and I kept noticing the jewels pop up and
> replacing
> > my Spears.
>
> That's helpful -- we will investigate the code for that trap, but
> there are so many combinations of possibilities, it will still be
> very difficult to reproduce -- even if that trap is the cause.
>
> It may depend on having a certain number or combination of of
items
> with certain attributes (equipped, unique, droppable, identified,
or
> not).  Is it possible for you (or anyone else) to say for sure:
>
> - what slots in your party were the characters who got the jewels
> (I.e. was CALEB in slot 1 at the time)?
> - What slots in your inventory did the jewel appear when you first
> noticed it?
> - Are you sure that it was spears that were replaced -- if so,
were
> they equipped at the time, and was there anything else special
about
> them (unique, etc)
> - What else can you remember about the inventory of the character
> when you first noticed the jewel -- number, type, attributes, and
> order of items, etc?
>
> Thanks,
> Jason

Where is a place full of monsters?
i am level 21 and i want to go to level 30 before i face kra'an.
PLz don't tell me kra'an lair!

--- In DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com, "Byron" <racercub68@y...> wrote:
> Caleb has 2 of the Jewels, and Tessor has 1 or 2.  I think it may
> have to do with the part of the Lords Lair #2, when it says
> something about you feel lighter.  Anyway, it took me a while to
get
> past this part, and I kept noticing the jewels pop up and
replacing
> my Spears.

That's helpful -- we will investigate the code for that trap, but
there are so many combinations of possibilities, it will still be
very difficult to reproduce -- even if that trap is the cause.

It may depend on having a certain number or combination of of items
with certain attributes (equipped, unique, droppable, identified, or
not).  Is it possible for you (or anyone else) to say for sure:

- what slots in your party were the characters who got the jewels
(I.e. was CALEB in slot 1 at the time)?
- What slots in your inventory did the jewel appear when you first
noticed it?
- Are you sure that it was spears that were replaced -- if so, were
they equipped at the time, and was there anything else special about
them (unique, etc)
- What else can you remember about the inventory of the character
when you first noticed the jewel -- number, type, attributes, and
order of items, etc?

Thanks,
Jason

Caleb has 2 of the Jewels, and Tessor has 1 or 2.  I think it may
have to do with the part of the Lords Lair #2, when it says
something about you feel lighter.  Anyway, it took me a while to get
past this part, and I kept noticing the jewels pop up and replacing
my Spears.

Hi,

I'm really having problems to find the clay key in Princess Demelza.
Please help!

/Andreas

----- Original Message -----

From: omader@...

To: DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 4:19 PM

Subject: [DragonBaneII] question

Hey everyone, love recieving these mails which have kindly answered some doubts on DB2. Yet, I have not been been able to find the answer to this mail:

 

What has feet but cannot run what has eyes but cannot see what falls and cannot get up?

 

 

have agreat day BTW!

 

Oliver

 

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At 06:19 PM 3/11/2003 -0600, omader@... wrote:
>Hey everyone, love recieving these mails which have kindly answered some
>doubts on DB2. Yet, I have not been been able to find the answer to this mail:
>
>What has feet but cannot run what has eyes but cannot see what falls and
>cannot get up?
>
>
>have agreat day BTW!
>
>Oliver


The answer is obvious.  Not one of the more elegant riddles, but effective.

... Bruce (if you are still stuck, e-mail me directly and I'll help out)

You have to leave everyone except one person at an inn.


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writes:
> only one man can solve the snare ahead
>
> how do i get buy this without getting tped back to the same spot?
>
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only one man can solve the snare ahead

how do i get buy this without getting tped back to the same spot?

i believe the answer is obvious

craig

----- Original Message -----
From: "bughmage" <fastfreelinks@...>
To: <DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 4:48 PM
Subject: [DragonBaneII] riddle me this riddle me that


> what has feet but cannot run what has eyes but cannot see what falls
> and cannot get up?
>
>
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what has feet but cannot run what has eyes but cannot see what falls
and cannot get up?

minotaur
warlock
goblin

you guys know the group has posted a walkthru that answers this sort of
thing...

craig

----- Original Message -----
From: "bughmage" <fastfreelinks@...>
To: <DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 9:09 AM
Subject: [DragonBaneII] It would be shocking if you made it this far and
could not name this creature


> theres a sign in the prison that says that.  the first one is the
> minotaur but i dont have a clue about the second one,its not a leach
> or anything hmm.  can someone list them but with gaps so i cant see
> them all at once.  this way if i get stuck agian(i dont know how
> many i have to name) then i dont have to repost
>
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Hi all,

Where can I find the clay key?

/Andreas

theres a sign in the prison that says that.  the first one is the
minotaur but i dont have a clue about the second one,its not a leach
or anything hmm.  can someone list them but with gaps so i cant see
them all at once.  this way if i get stuck agian(i dont know how
many i have to name) then i dont have to repost

this was answered last week. kick the wall in front of you twice in
succession. turn right kick that wall twice. continue turning and double
kicking. something will happen.


----- Original Message -----
From: "bughmage" <fastfreelinks@...>
To: <DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 5:59 PM
Subject: [DragonBaneII] Helix is dah bomb


> so anyway i take the tp helix makes and bam im in another dungion.
> I walk forwards twords a skull on the wall and im sealed ina and the
> sign says knock knock i cant figue out what to do to get out help me
> plz
>
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so anyway i take the tp helix makes and bam im in another dungion.
I walk forwards twords a skull on the wall and im sealed ina and the
sign says knock knock i cant figue out what to do to get out help me
plz

Hi friend,  if you dont mind do you know where the scaled key is in
the Prince's liar 1.  I cant seem to find it and i have been going up
and down but nothing man.  you can find the eye of soli at I think at
sewer 1 but you have to go to sewer two and up again to sewer one to
find it.  if you can help please email me at jcem@...
Thanks

This group isn't moderated.  We don't have the resources to moderate it
unfortunately.  The ratio of SPAM to valid email has been very reasonable so
far though.

-Gabe
MythoLogical Software

----- Original Message -----
From: <njmcdow@...>
To: <DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 4:56 AM
Subject: [DragonBaneII] What Happened to the DragonBaneII Discussions?


> Hello, Everyone - I'm new on this list and have been enjoying reading the
> discussions, but am wondering why the Moderator is allowing this
discussion
> list to be used for political discussions which, in my opinion, have no
place
> here.  There are plenty of other Yahoo groups where such discussions are
> appropriate.
>
> Regards, Nancy
>

Hi Nancy,

The Moderator isn't allowing the discussions per se. The posts re: political
discussion are the equivalent of spam posts. I think Jason or Gabe
(Mythological Software) addressed this earlier in that it is impossible for
them to filter out legitimate vs illegitimate users on the Group -
therefore, once a spammer joins the group - these posts come up.

Just ignore them.

Cheers,
Chris Kim


----- Original Message -----
From: <njmcdow@...>
To: <DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 07:56
Subject: [DragonBaneII] What Happened to the DragonBaneII Discussions?


> Hello, Everyone - I'm new on this list and have been enjoying reading the
> discussions, but am wondering why the Moderator is allowing this
discussion
> list to be used for political discussions which, in my opinion, have no
place
> here.  There are plenty of other Yahoo groups where such discussions are
> appropriate.
>
> Regards, Nancy
>

as soon is get into the goblin place a block or wall blocks me in
with a sign that says nock nock what am i supposed to do use the
grafete to type whos there?

Looking for spoiler.  Where do I find the soli key.  I heard mention
of the strong man at the fair, but I haven't encountered a door in
the Sewer #2 that says you are not strong enough.  Please help!

Dear Yingc125,

Several people are working on new adventures.

Sincerely yours,
NEFTF
Technomagic University

--- In DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com, "yingc125 <yingc125@y...>"
<yingc125@y...> wrote:
> I'm new to this forum and am wondering if there has been any new
> adventures since Princess Dezelma or if any adventures are coming
out
> soon.

Dear Bkarsh123 [original Msg#1993 -- ant HTML link -- at end of post
after repost of Msg# 1913, 1909 & 1178 -- and related HTML links]

I am not an employee of Mythological Software.

The Dragon Bane 2 Engine (DB2E) does not have attributes like most
RPG's, instead it has skill levels.  For example: CALEB has melee
item skill level 23 (strength), magic item skill level 9
(intelligence), projectile item skill level 12 (dexterity) while
WYTHERA has melee item skill level 13 (strength), magic item skill
level 10 (intelligence) and projectile item skill level 23
(dexterity).  You could lower the attributes without effecting game
balance -- see Msg#1913 below -- but not raise them.  To use your
Bard's Tale example, you could think of them as already having all
attributes at maximum.

If you have any other questions, feel free to ask.  People here on
the forum are friendly.

Sincerely yours
NEFTF

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DragonBaneII/message/1913

Msg 1913

Dear Patrick [original msg#1909 -- and HTML link -- at end of post
after repost of msg#1178 -- and HTML link],
...
I like your idea of randomly generated characters, however, the
Dragon Bane 2 Engine (DB2E) is not designed to support random
character attributes, especially STR, DEX, INT, and STA.  I am
reposting msg#1178 below where I discussed the issue with Simon --
random treasures and increasing character attributes, especially STR
and DEX.

Who can use equipment in DB2E depends solely on each character's
attributes (Note 1) -- see below msg#1178 about HATCHETS and
BUCKLERS.  Because of this, each class starts with maximum STR, DEX,
INT, and STA (Note 2).  Without upsetting game balance, you can
randomly generate lower attributes, but randomly generating higher
attributes unbalances the game (Note 3) -- see below msg#1178 for
random STR +1 and DEX +1 treasures.

Several spots in "Return of Kra'an" (MSRK) give you limited assess to
potions and fruits that give you +1 to STR, DEX, INT, and STA.

There are several ways to add random character generation to DB2E,
however, STR, DEX, INT and STA are crucial to game balance.
...
Sincerely yours,
NEFTF

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***********************

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DragonBaneII/message/1178

Re: SSPD & DB2ACK Random Treasure
--- In DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com, "neftf" <Cyb0Au0Dragon215@A...>
wrote:
> Dear Simon and other adventure designers,
>
> Simon, I like your fruit trees, but you may wish to modify them in
> the next release version of "Princess Demelza" (SSPD).
>
> Simon and adventure designers, if you look at "Return of Kra'an"
> (MSRK) you will see Mythological Software generally treats trees as
> hidden treasure chests.  This is because fruit can be very
powerful.
> If you look at the gambling in SAMPLE2.MAP of the DB2ACK, not only
> does the party have to spend 1,000 Gold Pieces for a 1 in 10 chance
> for a potion or powerful fruit (SAPPY GOURD is STR +1 and SIGPLANT
is
> DEX +1), but after you win 3 times, the gambling is empty.
>
> The problem with random chance in a Dragon Bane 2 Engine Adventure
> (DB2EA) is that the player can save the game before your random
> chance opportunity, and keep playing it until they gets the results
> they desire.  Using Simon's demo, SSPD, I have 3rd level characters
> who have so far gotten 3 SIGPLANTs and 9 SAPPY GOURDs from the
fruit
> trees in Darian Grove.  Since armor and handweapons are based off
of
> STR, you should always consider carefully before placing a SAPPY
> GOURD in an adventure.  Since Ranged weapons are based off of DEX
you
> should limit SIGPLANT opportunities.  This is important because the
> SHOPPE will let a party purchase a piece of armor, a handweapon or
a
> ranged weapon they cannot use yet.  For example a HATCHET requires
a
> STR 20 which normally limits it to a KNIGHT 1st level, DWARF 2nd
> level, THIEF 6th level, and an ARCHER 8th level.  But with one
SAPPY
> GOURD a 1st level DWARF can use the HATCHET or a 5th level THIEF.
A
> BUCKLER requires a STR 18, this normally limits it to a KNIGHT 1st
> level, DWARF 1st level, THIEF 4th level, and an ARCHER 6th level.
> But with one SAPPY GOURD a 3rd level THIEF can use the BUCKLER or a
> 5th level ARCHER.
>
> The party can temporarily use a HATCHET in one combat with the
> SORCERER's STR+4/ +8 spells, but have to wait until they are the
> appropriate level before permanently equipping and getting the
item's
> bonus to attribute- such as a sword that is DEX +3.  The party
cannot
> use the BUCKLER, since it must be equipped before combat, at all
> until the character is the appropriate level.  Items that give
> bonuses while equipped- such as a shield that is STR +3 - are
> balanced by letting you equip only one type of equipment at a time
> such as one handweapon or one shield.
>
> Fruits that can easily be abused are SAPPY GOURD and SIGPLANT.
> SUNFRUITS are harder to abuse, mostly used against Boss Monsters
(the
> dragons in MSRK are boss monsters with KRA'AN being the biggest
> baddest boss monster in the adventure).  Fruit that is seldom
abused
> is PORT MELON, CIPPER SQUASH, and ENCHANTED BERRIES.  Fruit that is
> impossible to abuse is SWEET PICKLEBERRY and TART MELON.
>
> Simon, I hope this information helps you with your next release
> version and your next adventure after SSPD.
>
> Adventure designers, I hope this helps with your adventure
designing.
>
> Sincerely yours,
> NEFTF

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***********************

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DragonBaneII/message/1909

Re: A question about DB2ACK

> Re: One more question, have you guys thought about having the user
> create their
> Re: own party instead of picking from already created users?  This
is
> what I was
> Re: actually thinking about when I asked my question.  I was going
to
> have a
> Re: place where you take your group and re-roll their attributes,
> based on a
> Re: fixed range and using the random number generator.  Once you
got
> what you
> Re: liked, you then changed the users STR, DEX, INT, etc from the
> random numbers
> Re: you created.  I just remember thinking of this from The Bard's
> Tale.

***********************
***********************

Note 1) For those familiar with Dungeons and Dragons (1st, 2nd, 3rd
editions), D&D gets around this problem by using class restrictions.
For example a necromancer is barred from using full plate and a
fighter is barred from using a wand of healing.  In DB2E a
necromancer gets full plate at a later level than a fighter.  A
fighter gets to use a wand of healing at a later level than a
necromancer.  STR goes knight 23, dwarf 19, thief 14.  This means a
dwarf has to be 4 levels higher than a knight to use the same armor.
A thief has to be 9 levels higher to use the same armor.  DB2E just
gives fighters higher STR, archers higher DEX and Sorcerers higher
INT.

"Note 1" also avoids the issue of weapon to hit and accuracy.  Items
like armor, elemental conjuring devices and defensive spell devices
do not need to hit for them to be useful.

Note 2) In D&D you often roll 3d6 -- average 10.5 -- for each
attribute with a maximum of 18.  DB2E gives every character 18s in
all attributes, then adjusts for class/race.  DB2E combines
class/race into the class of the character.

Note 3) In D&D this would be the same as giving everyone in a 1st
level adventure straight 18's then adding a random 1d8 levels to the
characters.  Remember, with saved games, in DB2E you can keep
rerolling until you get a character you like.  If it was D&D this
system would cause lots of straight 18's characters that were 9th
level slaughtering lowly 1st level monsters.


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DragonBaneII/message/1993

Msg1993 Re: Is there a way to create your own characters?
--- In DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com, "bkarsh123 <bkarsh@a...>"
<bkarsh@a...> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I've been playing Dragon Bane II for a while now, and it is a great
> game! However, there doesn't seem to be an option to create your
own
> character like in Bard's Tale, or many other RPG's. Am I simply
> missing something, or was there a reason this wasn't implemented?
>
> Lastly, if there is no way to create custom characters in the game,
> can you use any game editors to edit existing characters? Part of
the
> fun for me with RPG's is making my own folks -- adds to the
> experience.
>
> Any tips would be appreciated

SPOILER



















1) You need to find an addition to your party. It's not a matter of
strength as much as you need this person as part of the puzzle.
(Another hint see below)



















2) Try the fair on weekend for someone to join your team
(Another hint below)



















3) You need the strongman (forgot his name)

Cheers,
Chris Kim
--- In DragonBaneII@yahoogroups.com, "bughmage <fastfreelinks@h...>"
<fastfreelinks@h...> wrote:
> on the returen to k adventure where you travel through the sewer
> theres a small room that cant be opened, when you run into the wall
> it tells me no one is strong enough in my party to move it.  What
do
> i need to move it do i need to be like lvl 20 or something, do i
> need a strength of 60? please someone email me im stuck

on the returen to k adventure where you travel through the sewer
theres a small room that cant be opened, when you run into the wall
it tells me no one is strong enough in my party to move it.  What do
i need to move it do i need to be like lvl 20 or something, do i
need a strength of 60? please someone email me im stuck

I enjoyed it!  Like the fountains for hints and many other
features.  I'm glad there was NOT a complete walkthru available as
it forced me to really see how the various puzzles functioned.  My
only complaint is that Darion Grove was more complex to navigate
through than I'd have liked.  Other than that, a very enjoyable game.

I'm new to this forum and am wondering if there has been any new
adventures since Princess Dezelma or if any adventures are coming out
soon.